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#1 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 12:40 PM

I see that there is talk of the crowd figure being re-calculated to what many people believe it should be.

120,000+

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The reason many people today still say the actual crowd figure was around 120,000 is that many fences were found flat after the match giving the appearance many had found their way into the ground without paying. Due to the nature of the old stadium there were also many places young children could sneak through and men could climb over.

It would be great if we could take back the record from Stadium Australia (ANZ as it is now known).

Dare I ask if anyone on here was at the game ???? ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

** Fun Fact ** Laurel & Hardy were playing at the Alhambra on the same night

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#2 Wendall

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 12:45 PM

Grandparents were at the game. My Grandad told me that Warrington was like a ghost town that night (before live Tv coverage) na that he was near the front and could see back miles and miles. Traffic into Bradford was at a standstill the roads could not cope.



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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:31 PM

To be honest, I'm glad I wasn't there. Claustrophobic or what?


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Posted 25 March 2009 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Mar 25 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, I'm glad I wasn't there. Claustrophobic or what?


When you look at that photo, and see the size of the space all these people were squashed into its amazing no one got hurt.
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 04:26 PM

I think that would set a dangerous precedent, estimating how many sneaked in. Nobody will ever know how many were there, and as it's over 50 years ago, I don't think anything would be gained anyway, except depriving Australia of something.

If we did want the record back we can have it. The Australian record was for two matches, so at anybodys guess probably some of the spectators for the first game went home before the 2nd, and some of the second games speccy, probably didn't turn up for the first, so in effect their record means that there wasn't that number in the stadium at any one go, Halifax v Warrington means there was only 1 game, therefore the recored for a single matchs attendance is still the UK's
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#6 Geoff Lee

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 06:18 PM

Talk about the traffic being at a standstill in Bradford that day, it was also even at a standstill back in Oldham!
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Mar 25 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see that there is talk of the crowd figure being re-calculated to what many people believe it should be.

120,000+

wink.gif

The reason many people today still say the actual crowd figure was around 120,000 is that many fences were found flat after the match giving the appearance many had found their way into the ground without paying. Due to the nature of the old stadium there were also many places young children could sneak through and men could climb over.

It would be great if we could take back the record from Stadium Australia (ANZ as it is now known).

Dare I ask if anyone on here was at the game ???? ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

** Fun Fact ** Laurel & Hardy were playing at the Alhambra on the same night

Just out of interest, how are they going to recalculate? From the photos that exist?
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#8 tonyXIII

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE (Bleep1673 @ Mar 25 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that would set a dangerous precedent, estimating how many sneaked in. Nobody will ever know how many were there, and as it's over 50 years ago, I don't think anything would be gained anyway, except depriving Australia of something.

If we did want the record back we can have it. The Australian record was for two matches, so at anybodys guess probably some of the spectators for the first game went home before the 2nd, and some of the second games speccy, probably didn't turn up for the first, so in effect their record means that there wasn't that number in the stadium at any one go, Halifax v Warrington means there was only 1 game, therefore the recored for a single matchs attendance is still the UK's


I think you are spot on.

Estimating attendances! Whatever next? Borrowing the RFU's crowd calculator? biggrin.gif

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#9 Wolford6

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 07:58 PM

I have this picture as the wallpaper on my pc.

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#10 Stan Doffarf

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 09:12 PM

Mum and Dad were there, and my Dad's two brothers. My brother and I were considered too little (I was four and he was seven) but I can't remember who babysat us.

Mum always used to say there was loads of room where they were standing, and it's certainly true that fences were knocked down and many hundreds climbed them or got through the holes.

I think Mum and Dad went for a drink in the Truncliffe Gate pub afterwards, they used to go there quite regularly. It used to stand in Manchester Road a few yards up from the Woodman, and I've seen a photo of them taken in there (not on the same night) with Harry Corbett and Sooty. Corbett went to school with one of my uncles.

There's absolutely no way of knowing how many got into the old stadium that night, and it would be ridiculous to try and recalculate the figure at this distance in time. Anyway, the uncertainty for me is all part of the mythology of the event. All we can agree on is, as the saying goes, 'there were a lot more there than that'.
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 09:26 PM

QUOTE (Bleep1673 @ Mar 25 2009, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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If we did want the record back we can have it. The Australian record was for two matches, so at anybodys guess probably some of the spectators for the first game went home before the 2nd, and some of the second games speccy, probably didn't turn up for the first, so in effect their record means that there wasn't that number in the stadium at any one go, Halifax v Warrington means there was only 1 game, therefore the recored for a single matchs attendance is still the UK's


These figures originally posted by Diabolical Liberty, 30th May last year, in response to the " World record crowd" claim by the rfu.

107999 Melbourne Storm 20-18 St George Illawarra Dragons NRL Grand Final, 1999
104583 Newcastle Knights v Manly, Parramatta v St George NRL, 1999
102569 Warrington 8-4 Halifax CC Final Replay, 1953-54


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#12 Wendall

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:01 AM

Theres no chance of the Challenge Cup sell out beating this one!



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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE (tonyXIII @ Mar 25 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you are spot on.

Estimating attendances! Whatever next? Borrowing the RFU's crowd calculator? biggrin.gif

There were approximately 1.8m at the Odsal match in that case.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Mar 25 2009, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have this picture as the wallpaper on my pc.

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Surely they could of got a few thousand on to the roofs of the stands biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE (MrPosh @ Aug 20 2010, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There were approximately 1.8m at the Odsal match in that case.


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#16 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:18 PM

I remember my Grandad teling me who was at the game that the roads were gridlocked from Bradford to Rochdale for this game.

Amazing really when you think about it.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:29 PM

What's the point in resurrecting a 17 month old thread? dry.gif

This thread necromancy is getting tiresome now.

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