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#21 Bulliac

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:35 AM

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Not that the "wonderful community" has been broken then?

I think 'broken' is perhaps going too far, but it's certainly different, in the same way that society in general has changed since those days.

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#22 Griff9of13

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 10:25 AM

QUOTE (Cofi @ Jul 1 2010, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're right - my brain hurts with RL at the moment. I've got loads of reading to do secularly at the moment as well so I'll save my RL stuff for my holiday.

The photo you mention isn't in my edition so I guess that's in the other volume. I'll have to track it down on Amazon/Ebay. It's hard to choose a favourite but I like the photograph on page 101, which shows fans standing on a terrace watching a game but in the distance looming over everyone and everything are the cranes of heavy industry (I have no idea where this photo was taken but I'd like to know). These two things: the cranes, the RL match, inextricably linked to the social history of the sport's traditional heartlands. And when I see pictures of the shirts with the sponsor British Coal emblazoned across them, I appreciate that the game was/is part of the socio-political history of these communities. Brilliant.

If you are particularly interested in the social history of the sport I suggest you get hold of Rugby League in Twentieth Century Britain by Tony Collins, and even A Social History of English Rugby Union by the same author (the union one is a good cross refernce, as the two codes, in their early days were obviously very closly connected).
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#23 Captain Halifax

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 11:59 AM

Travel the grounds of the Championship and Championship 1 on a Sunday afternoon and I know you will find this community anything but 'broken.'

It is the single most important thing that keeps me (after 37 yrs) supporting Halifax.

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#24 Cofi

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 02:04 PM

QUOTE (Griff9of13 @ Jul 1 2010, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you are particularly interested in the social history of the sport I suggest you get hold of Rugby League in Twentieth Century Britain by Tony Collins, and even A Social History of English Rugby Union by the same author (the union one is a good cross refernce, as the two codes, in their early days were obviously very closly connected).


I am interested in the social historical aspects of the game so thanks for the recommendations. I'm sure that Tony Collins was the academic on BBC's Super League show the other week, discussing the Heritage centre in Huddersfield - great place, I need to go there.



#25 Hornetto

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Griff9of13 @ Jul 1 2010, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you are particularly interested in the social history of the sport I suggest you get hold of Rugby League in Twentieth Century Britain by Tony Collins...


I wouldn't. He doesn't even know which clubs attended the meeting at the George Hotel. If he gets that fundament wrong, who knows what else is incorrect in there?

I gave up reading it at that point.

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#26 Blind side johnny

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 09:55 AM

QUOTE (Cofi @ Jul 1 2010, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're right - my brain hurts with RL at the moment. I've got loads of reading to do secularly at the moment as well so I'll save my RL stuff for my holiday.

The photo you mention isn't in my edition so I guess that's in the other volume. I'll have to track it down on Amazon/Ebay. It's hard to choose a favourite but I like the photograph on page 101, which shows fans standing on a terrace watching a game but in the distance looming over everyone and everything are the cranes of heavy industry (I have no idea where this photo was taken but I'd like to know). These two things: the cranes, the RL match, inextricably linked to the social history of the sport's traditional heartlands. And when I see pictures of the shirts with the sponsor British Coal emblazoned across them, I appreciate that the game was/is part of the socio-political history of these communities. Brilliant.



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#27 Steve May

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:14 AM

If you can't find these books on Amazon or Ebay then try Abe.com, which is a collection of small booksellers. You can pretty much find any book at all on there.

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#28 Dave T

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Cofi @ Jul 1 2010, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am interested in the social historical aspects of the game so thanks for the recommendations. I'm sure that Tony Collins was the academic on BBC's Super League show the other week, discussing the Heritage centre in Huddersfield - great place, I need to go there.
Yes, that was Tony Collins, and I loved the look of that place.

I have been meaning to go for the ast few years and never got round to it, really need to make the effort!


#29 Cofi

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Steve May @ Jul 2 2010, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you can't find these books on Amazon or Ebay then try Abe.com, which is a collection of small booksellers. You can pretty much find any book at all on there.


Great website - really useful.
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#30 Cofi

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 06:16 PM

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Yes, that was Tony Collins, and I loved the look of that place.

I have been meaning to go for the ast few years and never got round to it, really need to make the effort!


I thought it was him.

You're right, the museum looks like a good place to visit - I'll see if I can go before the end of the summer.

#31 Geoff Lee

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 07:53 AM

Cofi, this Sunday might be a good time to visit the Heritage Centre, as you could combine it with a visit to the Galpharm to watch Crusaders play Huddersfield.
One other good book to put on your list, if you do not already have it, is "Tries In The Valleys". Published by London League Publications (www.llpshop.co.uk) in 1998 it is a history of Rugby League in Wales, written by Peter Lush and Dave Farrar with a foreword by Jonathan Davies.

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#32 Cofi

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE (Geoff Lee @ Jul 6 2010, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cofi, this Sunday might be a good time to visit the Heritage Centre, as you could combine it with a visit to the Galpharm to watch Crusaders play Huddersfield.
One other good book to put on your list, if you do not already have it, is "Tries In The Valleys". Published by London League Publications (www.llpshop.co.uk) in 1998 it is a history of Rugby League in Wales, written by Peter Lush and Dave Farrar with a foreword by Jonathan Davies.


I didn't know about this book - another one to put on my reading list!

I'm leaving for Italy this weekend with work so I won't be able to go to Huddersfield this time but I will make the effort soon.

Thanks very much Geoff - appreciate it.

#33 shrek

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Jul 1 2010, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think 'broken' is perhaps going too far, but it's certainly different, in the same way that society in general has changed since those days.


It'd be interesting if they did a Volume 3, I think the contrasts in fortunes of clubs as echoed in many of the threads on here would make for an interesting read.

Clearly they are popular books so you'd think there'd be enough demand for another one.

#34 Blind side johnny

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Jul 6 2010, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It'd be interesting if they did a Volume 3, I think the contrasts in fortunes of clubs as echoed in many of the threads on here would make for an interesting read.

Clearly they are popular books so you'd think there'd be enough demand for another one.



Well the original publications needed subscribers to kick them off, but you may be right, there might be a viable market today.

One for Scratching Shed to look into I would have thought.


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