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Every Super League club has suffered questionable calls by the officials


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#1 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:06 PM

It's an interesting read and Mr Murphy has a very legitimate point.

http://www.thetelegr...histle_on_refs/

The Craig Kopczak disallowed try during last week’s defeat to Hull FC was and should have been given, the replays have confirmed this. Instead of going down 28-22, we should of had a chance to level the match.

I must say that I find this persons comments a joy to read

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11:39pm Wed 7 Jul 10

Got to agree with the above comments. Cummins will always be tainted with the Graeme Bradley issue and as a result has issues with the Bulls. He should never have got the RFL chief of refs job in the first place as what he did in retaliation for some comments Bradley made in a newspaper column was a disgrace which should never have been overlooked. For those who don't know. Bradley had made comments about Cummings which the ref took exception to. Instead of dealing with the comments in the correct way he waited until the play off semi final against Saints as he had been awarded the match to officiate. Bradleys first boisterous tackle was adjudged a red card offence and he sent him off. TV replays showed no such offence had been committed although it could be argued a bit of a 'facial' of the type almost never punished at all, let alone a red card, had taken place. It was revenge of the highest order and the RFL turned a blind eye.
So, that is why every time the Bulls are punished severely by the beaks at Red Hall a cloud will hang over the judgement. The guy has to go before any talk of fairness can begin to take place.
By the way, I hope no one even begins to suggest refereeing decisions have anything to do with the Bulls plight over the last 3 seasons as that is a completely different story!!

Edited by Tommy The C5t, 08 July 2010 - 12:13 PM.


#2 shrek

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:10 PM

Interesting slant you've put on the thread title compared to the title of the article;
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Bulls have suffered as much as anyone over questionable calls by officials


Probably says about as much as needs saying on the subject!

#3 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Jul 8 2010, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting slant you've put on the thread title compared to the title of the article;


Probably says about as much as needs saying on the subject!


I couldn't fit the T&A title in.

#4 Amber Avenger

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:12 PM

You clearly haven't read it properly, Mick. Connor Murphy does indeed make good points, but says the Bulls have suffered as much as anyone else - ie we haven't had the brunt of it, all clubs have suffered at the hand of bad refs calls. As such the thread title is misleading (IMO anyway) and is slightly unfair on the T&A article, which in reality says nothing of the sort
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#5 Mortis

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:12 PM

Yes, you're right. That was definitely a voluntary tackle by Chris Joynt and "that team to the east of Bradford who we won't mention" were miles offside!





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#6 shrek

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:14 PM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 8 2010, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I couldn't fit the T&A title in.


Subtly changed sir! wink.gif


#7 The Parksider

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:14 PM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 8 2010, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's an interesting read and Mr Murphy has a very legitimate point.


No he doesn't have a point, it's ###### to get the likes of you reading the articles Mick.

If you are going to get into RL media and commentating, and I think you will be brilliant, you have got to stop this rubbish.

All the TRL fans on here who watch games as neutrals never have much of a problem over refs and decisions and none believe any refs have any bias.

It's all in your heads. The bias comes from you and is directed at the referees.

#8 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:15 PM

Apologies to everyone the title of the thread has been changed to reflect the T&A headline.

It wouldn't let me copy and paste it all.

#9 Mortis

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:18 PM

As I keep saying to everyone who slates off the ref - go and do the course yourself and prove you can do it better! If not, shut up and put up!



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#10 The Parksider

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE (Amber Avenger @ Jul 8 2010, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You clearly haven't read it properly, Mick. Connor Murphy does indeed make good points, but says the Bulls have suffered as much as anyone else - ie we haven't had the brunt of it, all clubs have suffered at the hand of bad refs calls.


There you go Mick.

Your brain took in the article title and applied your own twisted thinking to it and out it popped as something else.

I hope AA has shown you the way Mate.

It does you no good at all to go on thinking the way you do on Refs.....


#11 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Jul 8 2010, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No he doesn't have a point, it's ###### to get the likes of you reading the articles Mick.

If you are going to get into RL media and commentating, and I think you will be brilliant, you have got to stop this rubbish.

All the TRL fans on here who watch games as neutrals never have much of a problem over refs and decisions and none believe any refs have any bias.

It's all in your heads. The bias comes from you and is directed at the referees.


I wouldn't call this rubbish, it has a valid stay on this forum, because it's bringing up what we have known all season long that the referees are too inconsistent from game to game and with this the interpretations alter.

Just take the incident that Connor mentions in the article, which I myself and others have seen the replay and we had a 100% legitimate try chalked off on Sunday, had it been given who knows what the final score would have been.





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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:22 PM

Some teams seem to get more than their fair share of the 50:50 calls go their way. Over the last few years Leeds have certainly had this in the big games (Millenium magic Tansey off-side try, 2009 GF Lee Smith Off-side try, last weekend against Saints McGuire knock on before the try).

Over time they do tend to even themselves out. Lest just hope a dodgey 50:50 call goes against Leeds in the CC SF next month that sees them knocked out by Saints wink.gif (no chance of this happening if Leeds lovers Bentham, Smith or Silverwood take charge)

#13 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:23 PM

QUOTE (Mortis @ Jul 8 2010, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I keep saying to everyone who slates off the ref - go and do the course yourself and prove you can do it better! If not, shut up and put up!



But it is true, they are biased against the mighty Bulls! rolleyes.gif


No one is saying they are biased against the Bulls, what we are saying is that how they interpret the rules is highly inconsistent and seems to be unregulated by Cummings.



#14 Errol Stock

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:25 PM

I really do think this topic should end once and for all now Tommy lad..

Had the article been written after a decision cost the GF - years ago - it would have some credence and relevance.

However, there is not one aspect of the club today that has been caused by any refereeing decisions.

We are where we are because we have the worst coach in the clubs SL history - in charge for 4 years.

I thought the article was extremely badly timed and irrelevant to the current crisis - a crisis which none of the club management are able to address.

When a team repeatedly under performs over such a long time - it really is time to quit popping at the refs - it just makes us look stupid (in my humble opinion)



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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:29 PM

QUOTE (Errol Stock @ Jul 8 2010, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really do think this topic should end once and for all now Tommy lad..

Had the article been written after a decision cost the GF - years ago - it would have some credence and relevance.

However, there is not one aspect of the club today that has been caused by any refereeing decisions.

We are where we are because we have the worst coach in the clubs SL history - in charge for 4 years.

I thought the article was extremely badly timed and irrelevant to the current crisis - a crisis which none of the club management are able to address.

When a team repeatedly under performs over such a long time - it really is time to quit popping at the refs - it just makes us look stupid (in my humble opinion)


Fair points - but to give the T&A article a chance - at it's heart, it is absolutely nothing to do with the Bulls at all. It's a genuine discussion of the way the Refs operate within our game with the spark being a real, albiet small, incident in a local game as, after all, it is appearing in the local paper. It's sad that most of the people commenting on the T&A site seem to think it's a big "Refs hate Bradford rant" when in reality - whether you agree with the points or not - it deserves much better than that.

Edited by Amber Avenger, 08 July 2010 - 12:31 PM.

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#16 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:32 PM

QUOTE (Errol Stock @ Jul 8 2010, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really do think this topic should end once and for all now Tommy lad..

Had the article been written after a decision cost the GF - years ago - it would have some credence and relevance.

However, there is not one aspect of the club today that has been caused by any refereeing decisions.

We are where we are because we have the worst coach in the clubs SL history - in charge for 4 years.

I thought the article was extremely badly timed and irrelevant to the current crisis - a crisis which none of the club management are able to address.

When a team repeatedly under performs over such a long time - it really is time to quit popping at the refs - it just makes us look stupid (in my humble opinion)


Can't argue with any of that Errol which is why I'm giving what the referees do a back seat from now on and start to fully focus on my commentating and learn as much as I can through it.

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Errol Stock @ Jul 8 2010, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really do think this topic should end once and for all now Tommy lad..

Had the article been written after a decision cost the GF - years ago - it would have some credence and relevance.

However, there is not one aspect of the club today that has been caused by any refereeing decisions.

We are where we are because we have the worst coach in the clubs SL history - in charge for 4 years.

I thought the article was extremely badly timed and irrelevant to the current crisis - a crisis which none of the club management are able to address.

When a team repeatedly under performs over such a long time - it really is time to quit popping at the refs - it just makes us look stupid (in my humble opinion)

You don't feel that the overspending (losing £500.000 per year according to published accounts, spending cash from the agreement with the council, which was intended for ground maintenance) and cutting back on junior development, signing players already signed to another club (Iestyn Harris, and still being paid for, btw), which left the club in such a parlous position that the chairman left, the chief exec left, the coach left, and various top quality players were sold or off-loaded because we couldn't afford their wages, leaving Hood and McNamara in the position of not even being able to pay the full salary cap, had anything at all to do with it then?

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Jul 8 2010, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You don't feel that the overspending (losing £500.000 per year according to published accounts, spending cash from the agreement with the council, which was intended for ground maintenance) and cutting back on junior development, signing players already signed to another club (Iestyn Harris, and still being paid for, btw), which left the club in such a parlous position that the chairman left, the chief exec left, the coach left, and various top quality players were sold or off-loaded because we couldn't afford their wages, leaving Hood and McNamara in the position of not even being able to pay the full salary cap, had anything at all to do with it then?


Absolutlely - many parts to this situation - some out of control of the Bulls and some not - if you catalogue the milestones from 1995 to 2006 - it is undoubtedly a roller coaster ride. I remember being there, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up with the sheer ecstacy of the whole thing - but often wondered, is this being built from card or stone... Think it started in stone - but someone pulled some bricks out!

Its not the defeats (or the wins) - its the manner of the defeats (and some of the wins!) that killed my passion.

I hold the belief that its a very special quality that enables a man to motivate a team of men - and I have seen little evidence of that. In fact they look fed up to the back teeth before they even kick off.



#19 Bulliac

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Errol Stock @ Jul 8 2010, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Absolutlely - many parts to this situation - some out of control of the Bulls and some not - if you catalogue the milestones from 1995 to 2006 - it is undoubtedly a roller coaster ride. I remember being there, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up with the sheer ecstacy of the whole thing - but often wondered, is this being built from card or stone... Think it started in stone - but someone pulled some bricks out!

Its not the defeats (or the wins) - its the manner of the defeats (and some of the wins!) that killed my passion.

I hold the belief that its a very special quality that enables a man to motivate a team of men - and I have seen little evidence of that. In fact they look fed up to the back teeth before they even kick off.

I think that's fair enough, certainly fairer than just blaming one individual who has had a bum hand to play with (if we're only looking at results) to be brutally honest.

I was the same during the 'glory years', it was almost a case of not believing our luck and not wanting to believe it would ever end (though I guess we all knew it couldn't last forever), it was certainly a million miles from 1963. Personally, I don't know how good Macca is as a coach, and I'm only sticking up for him because a lot of the criticism he gets seems to me to be unwarranted (or at least, very often from people who can't see beyond the headlines), but I do accept that, if we're only going on results there is no comparison to the previous five or so years. I'm certain though that, much as winning and losing is used as a be all and end all for comparing coaches/managers, we have to look a little deeper than superficial results.

I have to say I can't remember any players looking " fed up to the back teeth before they even kick off", in fact one thing which always sticks in my mind is that the team generally seem to give plenty of effort (though, yes, I'll concede the odd individual on occasion) and, to me, they try their best and put in the grunt, though clearly I have to concede the skill on show often isn't good enough. The effort suggests they do respect the coach though, for my money anyway.

Out of interest you're not THE Errol Stock, are you!!

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Mortis @ Jul 8 2010, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I keep saying to everyone who slates off the ref - go and do the course yourself and prove you can do it better! If not, shut up and put up!
That is not a legitimate argument. However I agree with the principle wholeheartedly. If we can only comment or criticise on what we have deep knowledge and experience of, we wouldn't have had a General Election! And regarding RL, then only current or ex-SL players can be negative about SL players, coaches about coaches.

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