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Poll: Bradford Bulls v Salford City Reds (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Who will win?

  1. Bradford (7 votes [46.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.67%

  2. Salford (8 votes [53.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.33%

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#141 Bulliac

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 19 2010, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok admittedly I was a bit harsh saying that there were no positives from the game yesterday, but it's just so bloody frustrating seeing the same dumb plays and poor defensive options taken.

I'm now looking forward to Saturday and think we may just spring a shock at Craven park, now that we've had a full week under Lee.


Oh, it's frustrating right enough. It's even worse when there doesn't seem to be an end in sight, though to continue the positives (it makes me feel better happy.gif ),I also though Koppy continued his improvement over the last few weeks. He had probably his best game of the season in defeat at Quins and showed the same form yesterday imo. He seems to be running his weight now, knocking people backwards, something he hasn't really done before.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 19 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A stunning debut if I may say so and one for the future, reminded me of Leon Pryce at times the way he broke the tackles and made the hard yards and took his two tries well.

His defence should improve the more game time he gets.

The most frustrating thing is that the youngsters instead of being helped by regular players are having to be relied on to make the plays with no help. Addy having to play behind a pack who never got going, and the majority of missed tackles are by seasoned players. OK, we have lost a major game player in Orford, but that does not excuse players who are consistently under performing. Our paper thin defence is beyond belief, and I am sure no one can answer the question, if you could tackle at the beginning of the season, why can't you do so now?


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Posted 19 July 2010 - 05:20 PM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Jul 19 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, it's frustrating right enough. It's even worse when there doesn't seem to be an end in sight, though to continue the positives (it makes me feel better happy.gif ),I also though Koppy continued his improvement over the last few weeks. He had probably his best game of the season in defeat at Quins and showed the same form yesterday imo. He seems to be running his weight now, knocking people backwards, something he hasn't really done before.


I hope he continues with this rich vein of form and gets the contract he deserves.



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Posted 19 July 2010 - 05:39 PM

QUOTE (indomitable @ Jul 19 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The most frustrating thing is that the youngsters instead of being helped by regular players are having to be relied on to make the plays with no help. Addy having to play behind a pack who never got going, and the majority of missed tackles are by seasoned players. OK, we have lost a major game player in Orford, but that does not excuse players who are consistently under performing. Our paper thin defence is beyond belief, and I am sure no one can answer the question, if you could tackle at the beginning of the season, why can't you do so now?


There is no confidence whatsoever within the Bulls camp and it will continue until someone stands up and takes charge out on the field.

As I've already posted it's been a difficult week for everyone with McNamara leaving and Lee taking over but the players didn't look interested yesterday at teh start of the game and only started to play once we were 12-0 down after six minutes.

We have to face the facts that we have too many below average seasoned players and with Orford out for the season there is no leader or chief to take charge of events that happen during the game.

No disrespect to Salford but some of the tries we conceded yesterday were from pathetic and lazy attempts at tackling, which I think everyone is sick to the teeth of because this non-existent defence is a major concern with three tough away trips at Hull KR, St Helens and Wigan still to come.

I really do fear for our attendances for the rest of the year and into next seasion with the current form, because long term supporters, people who were there in the late 50's early 60's are seriously considering whether or not to renew for next year.

We are at the tipping point now and with Catalans Dragons next up at Odsal the game will likely be the lowest crowd for us all season with even less there than yesterdays gate.

Potter's appointment needs to be the launch of a new era at Odsal, it really does need the board and directors to think "this is 1996 all over again".







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Posted 19 July 2010 - 05:43 PM

Bradford Bulls will hold their second Fans Forum of the year in the Coral Stand at the Grattan Stadium on Wednesday August 4th at 7.30pm.

Bulls Chairman Peter Hood, Acting Head Coach Lee St Hilaire, CEO Ryan Duckett and Media & Football Manager Stuart Duffy will be available to answer questions from supporters.

Stuart Duffy said today:

"We promised supporters we would hold another Forum before the end of the season and following the announcement that Michael Potter will be the new Head Coach we felt the time was right to stage it. Supporters will be able to ask any questions they want of the panel and we ask as many supporters as possible to attend. As with previous events we urge supporters to send their questions in advance to save time and duplication on the night but as usual there will be questions from the floor if there is time on the night."

Questions should be sent by email to: stuart.duffy@bradfordbulls.co.uk or by post to the club address.
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#146 Jill Halfpenny fan

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE (Johnoco @ Jul 19 2010, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The crowd would be blind drunk mate! wink.gif

They could give you £18 to attend games at the moment and I still think we wouldn't get a decent crowd at Odsal. There's still a long way to fall yet.


Seems like you've revised your figure of 7,000 plus hard core.
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 08:07 PM

Just read Hindles reaction to our final defeat.

So I'd like to respond with a well thought out and structured response to Bradfords defeat yesterday.

Then again.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Jill Halfpenny fan @ Jul 19 2010, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seems like you've revised your figure of 7,000 plus hard core.


Yeah sorry about that mate, I forgot I was the official fan counter. rolleyes.gif


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Posted 19 July 2010 - 11:15 PM


Salford scored some belting tries
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 19 2010, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really do fear for our attendances for the rest of the year and into next seasion with the current form, because long term supporters, people who were there in the late 50's early 60's are seriously considering whether or not to renew for next year.

We are at the tipping point now and with Catalans Dragons next up at Odsal the game will likely be the lowest crowd for us all season with even less there than yesterdays gate.

It's possible that attendances may drop as many will think, "sod it the season's gone now". I hope that isn't the case but suspect it might be.

I wonder what happened to all those thousands who, allegedly, wouldn't come because of Steve Mac? Either they didn't exist (in any meaningful number) or don't buy the T&A. smile.gif

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:55 AM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Jul 20 2010, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's possible that attendances may drop as many will think, "sod it the season's gone now". I hope that isn't the case but suspect it might be.

I wonder what happened to all those thousands who, allegedly, wouldn't come because of Steve Mac? Either they didn't exist (in any meaningful number) or don't buy the T&A. smile.gif


Those will be the ***** in the pubs on a Sunday afternoon spouting off ###### about our club when in fact their points aren't valid because they don't go to games.

You only need to visit RL Fans to see the sort of people who I mean.



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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 20 2010, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those will be the ***** in the pubs on a Sunday afternoon spouting off ###### about our club when in fact their points aren't valid because they don't go to games.

You only need to visit RL Fans to see the sort of people who I mean.
I don't think that is the right attitude, although I do understand your frustrations.

It can be very annoying when people stop going simply because of some bad results, however most clubs can't survive on a core set of fans who will go no matter what. These fans actually do need to be listened to.


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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:51 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 20 2010, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think that is the right attitude, although I do understand your frustrations.

It can be very annoying when people stop going simply because of some bad results, however most clubs can't survive on a core set of fans who will go no matter what. These fans actually do need to be listened to.


In truth Dave, these people will come back when the results change. Full stop. End of story(To quote the prime minister).Personally it pigs me off when people in the pub tell me what's wrong with the club, but haven't been for years. The vast majority don't even know what questions to ask, let alone the answers to the difficulties.

Who was it said, that if coaches listen to the fans they'll soon be sitting with them? Well, to paraphrase it a bit, if administrators start listening to people in pubs then they'll soon be standing at the bar with them. Put simply there are people who will only follow a winning team; every team has them, and they only want one thing and that is a team that wins. No one can make that kind of guarantee though, fortunately for the game.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:14 AM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Jul 20 2010, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In truth Dave, these people will come back when the results change. Full stop. End of story(To quote the prime minister).Personally it pigs me off when people in the pub tell me what's wrong with the club, but haven't been for years. The vast majority don't even know what questions to ask, let alone the answers to the difficulties.

Who was it said, that if coaches listen to the fans they'll soon be sitting with them? Well, to paraphrase it a bit, if administrators start listening to people in pubs then they'll soon be standing at the bar with them. Put simply there are people who will only follow a winning team; every team has them, and they only want one thing and that is a team that wins. No one can make that kind of guarantee though, fortunately for the game.


The problem being that we have around 4,000/5,000 of them.

The club haven't got any vast amounts of money to spend on world class players and without these world class players the team are going to struggle to compete on the pitch by spending under the salary cap.

The longer these so called supporters stay away, the worse our plight becomes.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:18 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 20 2010, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think that is the right attitude, although I do understand your frustrations.

It can be very annoying when people stop going simply because of some bad results, however most clubs can't survive on a core set of fans who will go no matter what. These fans actually do need to be listened to.


The ones who just sit in the pubs who live in a land of fantasy?

There is a fans forum next month but they won't turn up, it'll be attended by the usual faces.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jul 20 2010, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those will be the ***** in the pubs on a Sunday afternoon spouting off ###### about our club when in fact their points aren't valid because they don't go to games.

You only need to visit RL Fans to see the sort of people who I mean.


What points do they make that aren;t valid?

If they are saying that the team are showing no prifde or passion, saying that the club is dyting etc etc are they not correct whether they go to games or not?
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Kenilworth Tiger @ Jul 20 2010, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What points do they make that aren;t valid?

If they are saying that the team are showing no prifde or passion, saying that the club is dyting etc etc are they not correct whether they go to games or not?

I don't know about 'pride' or 'passion' or anything else the players might be thinking (and neither do they), unless the lack of it were to translate into not putting in the effort on the field. In my opinion, as I've said before, I've seen lack of confidence, lack of ability, silly mistakes, clumsy attempts to make tackles, not playing as a team, and dumb attempts to make hopeless passes, what I've not witnessed is any lack of willingness to get stuck in. The frustration that they suffer from when things haven't gone right, negative as it obviously is, shows that they care.

People carping in the pub instead of going to games aren't making valid points, they're regurgitating second hand gossipy opinions (probably from someone else who didn't go to the match) that they heard the last time they were in the pub. They are quite definitely part of the problem and not part of the solution (they could become part of the solution by turning up at a game), but as Mick pointed out, there is a fans' forum coming up, and will they be there?

There is little point in asking most of these people what they want, because we already know what that is, and it's something that no club is able to offer. They want to follow a successful side with lots of internationals, near the top of the league, playing rip roaring rugby and winning by big scores most of the time. You know, a little bit like the Bulls used to be for about ten years. We know that already, because that is what they come on message boards and tell us they miss about going to to games.

But life isn't like that. It's totally unrealistic and no club will always be in that position; we used to be, now it's someone else's turn. What we do have a team that is trying (and I'll yield to no-one on that), made up of some experienced SL players, some of above average quality, a few more than decent Aussies, and a goodly number of young players coming through. Despite results and current form it's a team worth watching.

Bradford Bulls dying? Dying my A***.


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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Jul 20 2010, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know about 'pride' or 'passion' or anything else the players might be thinking (and neither do they), unless the lack of it were to translate into not putting in the effort on the field. In my opinion, as I've said before, I've seen lack of confidence, lack of ability, silly mistakes, clumsy attempts to make tackles, not playing as a team, and dumb attempts to make hopeless passes, what I've not witnessed is any lack of willingness to get stuck in. The frustration that they suffer from when things haven't gone right, negative as it obviously is, shows that they care.

People carping in the pub instead of going to games aren't making valid points, they're regurgitating second hand gossipy opinions (probably from someone else who didn't go to the match) that they heard the last time they were in the pub. They are quite definitely part of the problem and not part of the solution (they could become part of the solution by turning up at a game), but as Mick pointed out, there is a fans' forum coming up, and will they be there?

There is little point in asking most of these people what they want, because we already know what that is, and it's something that no club is able to offer. They want to follow a successful side with lots of internationals, near the top of the league, playing rip roaring rugby and winning by big scores most of the time. You know, a little bit like the Bulls used to be for about ten years. We know that already, because that is what they come on message boards and tell us they miss about going to to games.

But life isn't like that. It's totally unrealistic and no club will always be in that position; we used to be, now it's someone else's turn. What we do have a team that is trying (and I'll yield to no-one on that), made up of some experienced SL players, some of above average quality, a few more than decent Aussies, and a goodly number of young players coming through. Despite results and current form it's a team worth watching.

Bradford Bulls dying? Dying my A***.
Whilst much of this is spot on, it is very risky to simply dismiss these people as glory hunters (my words, not yours).

The crowd the other day was horrendously low, and the next one may be even lower. Whilst it is frustrating, we 9as a sport) need to understand why fans switch off like this. Football doesn't see such a marked drop off after a few bad results.

There may be things that the club can do which are realistic, because as has been pointed out, other clubs haven't seen this dramatic decline, and I don't just use the dismissive comments about them being new fans attracted by foam fingers etc, so they weren't real fans.

It may be tough to get to them, they won't necessarily just turn up at a forum, but then usually only a few hundred max do at any forum, and when it comes down to it, it is up to the club to attract them.


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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:10 PM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Jul 20 2010, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know about 'pride' or 'passion' or anything else the players might be thinking (and neither do they), unless the lack of it were to translate into not putting in the effort on the field. In my opinion, as I've said before, I've seen lack of confidence, lack of ability, silly mistakes, clumsy attempts to make tackles, not playing as a team, and dumb attempts to make hopeless passes, what I've not witnessed is any lack of willingness to get stuck in. The frustration that they suffer from when things haven't gone right, negative as it obviously is, shows that they care.

People carping in the pub instead of going to games aren't making valid points, they're regurgitating second hand gossipy opinions (probably from someone else who didn't go to the match) that they heard the last time they were in the pub. They are quite definitely part of the problem and not part of the solution (they could become part of the solution by turning up at a game), but as Mick pointed out, there is a fans' forum coming up, and will they be there?

There is little point in asking most of these people what they want, because we already know what that is, and it's something that no club is able to offer. They want to follow a successful side with lots of internationals, near the top of the league, playing rip roaring rugby and winning by big scores most of the time. You know, a little bit like the Bulls used to be for about ten years. We know that already, because that is what they come on message boards and tell us they miss about going to to games.

But life isn't like that. It's totally unrealistic and no club will always be in that position; we used to be, now it's someone else's turn. What we do have a team that is trying (and I'll yield to no-one on that), made up of some experienced SL players, some of above average quality, a few more than decent Aussies, and a goodly number of young players coming through. Despite results and current form it's a team worth watching.

Bradford Bulls dying? Dying my A***.


I think next season is also a write off, just for the fact that we need to blood the younger players and give them more game time but the Bradford Bulls of 2012 should be interesting with the likes of Donaldson, Whitehead, Addy, Southernwood, Finnigan, George Burgess, Tom Burgess, Olbison and Crookes with Lynch, L'Estrange, Scruton, Langley, Orford, Platt, Halley and Kearney being the nucleus of the side.

Exciting times I feel are just around the corner.



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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Johnoco @ Jul 19 2010, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah sorry about that mate, I forgot I was the official fan counter. rolleyes.gif


Never for one minute thought you was.

Always looked like a very optimistic guestimate to me.

FWIW, under present conditions I'd reckon your hardcore would be around 4,000.

Stick you in the championship and could probably halve that.
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