I'm beginning to smell a rat.
You're hoping you smell a rat, through poorly structured conclusions to facts.
Saints have ballsed this up somehwere.
Again, you hope they have from your weird conclusions.
The stadium is a 60 week build, 12 months ago Saints announced they were about to announce the contractor for the build., they also said that they would have to move the first few games of the 2012 season to on the road.
No problem with that so far.
Working back, lets say therefore the original opening date was going to be April 2011. 60 Weeks prior work must have started to meat the build time (we'll allow a few extra weeks for just in case.) That means build start would have to have been January this year.
Meanwhile Saqints have sold their ground to Taylor Wimpey for housing, Saints must have signed up foolishley to a fixed for vacation despite having no fixed finish date for the stadium (no builing contractor signed up).
Firstly, when did Saints say they they were looking to move "the first few games" of the 2012 season on the road to give you your January build start?
Secondly, why is a fixed date for vacation foolish? It offered the club certainty of timing and locked in a contract value. No building contractor signed up? So what? That is a tender process - do you think all the builders are going to disappear by the time Saints offer the project for tender? It's not like we're begging for a contractor, the contractors fight for the work.
This left Saints with an urgent need to get the contracts signed up and delivered, a share release and a £400,000 cash injection this time last year had to be punped into the project to convince the developers that the right finance was in place to go ahead.
Or to strengthen the club's balance sheet by converting debt to equity and putting the Limited company in a stronger position to raise finance on better terms? Could you give a link to the source saying this cash was pumped into the stadium project, or have you made it up?
Saints did this (July 2009), and announced the project would be going out to tender (August at the earliest). That gave them 5 months to meet the january build start date.
Surely by then Saints knew that the project was not going to be ready for anytime during the 2011 season, why string along this nonsense about only part of the season being at Widnes.
Is that REALLY the rat you smell
Hardly worth all that research, Saints fans have known for ages we'd be playing the majority if not all of 2011 at Widnes. It's a multi-faceted project with partners other than Saints, unforeseen delays are not unheard of.
To me Saints have covered their tracks well, this project seems to have had a lot more obsticles than appears on the surface.
It's had enormous obstacles dating back many years, which is why it's taken so long and is such a great achievement. So why do you say "Saints have ballsed this up somewhere" when the reality is that Saints have done terrifcally well to get this project off the ground in a difficult environment?
Getting tied into the classic Jack Robinson mistake of selling your ground without having a replccement in place, a funding shortage cropping up halfway down the line.
We always had a contingency to play at Widnes, so we did "have a replacement in place". The long term replacement is a brand new, purpose built, fully owned RL stadium - perhaps you can clarify the parallels with Jack Robinson and Wigan selling a ground to avoid going bust rather than selling a ground to build a new one?
Surely the Taylor wimpey contract should have been claused to include the possibility that Saints may need the ground for another season.
Why would we want to Give TW the opportunity to price chip or pull out? Do you think they would just agree a price then say "hey stay as long as you like, we'll put the cash aside and pay you the same regardless of what you decide to do".
And that's ignoring the costs associated with staying at KR, which McManus cites as higher than moving to Widnes anyway on the BBC today:
Saints chairman Eamonn McManus said: "It's a necessity, we cannot stay at Knowsley Road. It's the only way to finance the new stadium and more importantly we can't keep it open for another year.
"In terms of basic safety requirements and basic investment in facilities the cost of doing that is much more prohibitive than going to Widnes
. In addition to that it's a part of the financing structure for the new stadium that Knowsley Road is sold.
Maybe the reason for the delay is just that this was an underfunded project and when the banks took a closer look following their change of habits someone found a big hole.
Good work Columbo. Zero basis in fact, but a nice wigan slant. I can almost smell the tenant jealousy.
The project is suddenly 8 months late and the only thing that appears to have been a problem is the funding hole last year. It seems like Saints have had to dance a merry dance across some very thin ice to get to this stage. I hopr they don't find any suprise large holes under this new ground.
The funding hole that you made up? Imaginary Wigan thin ice is easier to dance across than real, solid ground.
The project has been priced, funding is set aside and the project bonded. The stadium will be built just fine, but thanks for your concern.
That huge funding gap you refer to must have been plugged pretty well given Tony Colquitt's comments on the BBC website today:
"It not only allows us to invest in the 17 on the park, but alongside that we'll be announcing shortly plans for training facilities and a centre of excellence, which will be on a par with anything out there in the league."
Edited by FearTheVee, 20 July 2010 - 12:51 PM.