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[bowes]

They sneaked a win though.

Would you rather see them win in front of 2400 or lose in front of 6000 supporters? Surely the latter would be a much greater positive

[Northern Sol]

It certainly is. I'm hoping that it is down to previous low expectations and a possible appearance in the play offs could re-awaken some interest. But let's not forget, 12 months ago no-one had any idea they were playing in Wrexham, so to a large extent it's par for the course.

According to the Crusaders boards, it seems that the advertising budget was spent early on in the season and all the allowed promotional tickets are used up.

[Northern Sol]

Of course such attendances are par for the course in new areas, but they must be singled out as "poor" by those with an agenda, that typically they won't go on to explain. Old jack can't help himself worrying that Crusaders place in SL may continue to have an effect on Widnes's entry. Sol always keeps his agenda behind one liners.

It's always "agendas" with you, preferably hidden ones since then you never quite have to specify what they might be.

The idea that clubs new to RL wether in West London, Neath or Wrexham should be instantly pulling thousands of fans new to RL is absurd and yet they go on jumping on what is, as you say, par for the course.

It is and yet somehow you don't think it matters. Everytime it happens, the club inevitably goes t!ts up but that just doesn't matter does it? Because it isn't about expansion with you; it is all about some vacarous thrill you get from whole rollercoaster ride.

Given RL is supposedly so darn "instantly attracting" a prospect according to some then why can't established top of the table NL clubs get better attendances, why can't city clubs like Wakey or Salford get more than a few thousand????

Because they are badly run, in poor quality stadia and as a consequence one or both will get the chop in 2012.

I suppose the bottom line is if there's no culture of RL in an area that has to be built up. Not allowing for that, nor allowing for matching expansion crowds against relatively low crowds in established RL areas either, isn't fair, but hey ho if it matches your agendas guys..........

The point that crowds need to be built up gradually is something that any sensible fan knows and points out to you repeatedly. But this is dismissed as "agendas".

Well spotted Mr. Johnoco.

And BTW what a rubbish crowd at the Wrexham this Friday. Kick 'em both out...........

Don't be silly.

[The Parksider]

It's always "agendas" with you, preferably hidden ones since then you never quite have to specify what they might be. It is and yet somehow you don't think it matters. Everytime it happens, the club inevitably goes t!ts up but that just doesn't matter does it? Because it isn't about expansion with you; it is all about some vacarous thrill you get from whole rollercoaster ride. Because they are badly run, in poor quality stadia and as a consequence one or both will get the chop in 2012. The point that crowds need to be built up gradually is something that any sensible fan knows and points out to you repeatedly. But this is dismissed as "agendas".

Behind the constant bashing of expansion sides is a one sided argument, like your idea they are "badly run" and in "poor quality stadia" again that's an argument to apply more to M62 sides, but you don't do that. The only fair conclusion for expansion sides being constatntly put down by NL club fans is those fans wanting them out of SL so they can be in, I have actually specified that many times and the answer always is "I'm all for expansion "but". Nothing hidden there - wrong again.

The "but" always argue that expansion is great as long as it doesn't impinge on Superleague, not sure of your arguments though, you usually systematically put all mine down and offer little yourself . Once cornered your excuse once was "I have set my thoughts out in a previous post". Why not engage in the debate with something of your own. Why not develop the point about "both getting the chop in 2012" because that may actually be a clue to your agenda - perhaps you'd be good enough to let me know your current thoughs for the coming franchises. I'd be genuinely interested, and would not just put them all down in return.

As for crowds being built up gradually here's some "crowds" for you for Superleague matches Wakefield 2475, Salford 2211, here's some superleague averages for you Halifax 2977, Oldham 3453, Workington 2322, Huddersfield 3727............

Real gradual build up there...........100 years to do it.

All crowds you would call "low" or "poor" from SL clubs with proud histories of trophies and packed out stadia, with an RL culture built up over many many years. No doubt all these are excusable but there can be no excuses for crowds in Wales or London, where there has never been a culture of RL but one is starting to grow with people and kids taking to playing the game.

Expansion in SL is not a crowds competition. It's a spread RL through Britain excersise, for if people haven't noticed it's shrunk quite badly in parts of the M62.

Expansion clubs won't fail on par for the course low crowds. They will fail on losing their sugar daddies and again that applies to most M62 SL clubs and those M62 clubs who don't have one.

Finally if "sensible people think crowds need to be built up gradually" then where does Bradford stand in losing over half of theirs. I've left out the "Silly" bit of the end of your post, it's yours so you can keep it.

[Northern Sol]

Behind the constant bashing of expansion sides is a one sided argument, like your idea they are "badly run" and in "poor quality stadia" again that's an argument to apply more to M62 sides, but you don't do that. The only fair conclusion for expansion sides being constatntly put down by NL club fans is those fans wanting them out of SL so they can be in, I have actually specified that many times and the answer always is "I'm all for expansion "but". Nothing hidden there - wrong again.

Not hidden but invented.

If you can find but one single post when I criticised any expansion team's stadia then you will not be a "hippocrit".

I haven't said a word about any of them because I haven't been to any of them.

Anyway I understand that Wrexham's stadium isn't at all bad.

The "but" always argue that expansion is great as long as it doesn't impinge on Superleague, not sure of your arguments though, you usually systematically put all mine down and offer little yourself . Once cornered your excuse once was "I have set my thoughts out in a previous post". Why not engage in the debate with something of your own. Why not develop the point about "both getting the chop in 2012" because that may actually be a clue to your agenda - perhaps you'd be good enough to let me know your current thoughs for the coming franchises. I'd be genuinely interested, and would not just put them all down in return.

As for crowds being built up gradually here's some "crowds" for you for Superleague matches Wakefield 2475, Salford 2211, here's some superleague averages for you Halifax 2977, Oldham 3453, Workington 2322, Huddersfield 3727............

Real gradual build up there...........100 years to do it.

All crowds you would call "low" or "poor" from SL clubs with proud histories of trophies and packed out stadia, with an RL culture built up over many many years. No doubt all these are excusable but there can be no excuses for crowds in Wales or London, where there has never been a culture of RL but one is starting to grow with people and kids taking to playing the game.

Expansion in SL is not a crowds competition. It's a spread RL through Britain excersise, for if people haven't noticed it's shrunk quite badly in parts of the M62.

Expansion clubs won't fail on par for the course low crowds. They will fail on losing their sugar daddies and again that applies to most M62 SL clubs and those M62 clubs who don't have one.

Finally if "sensible people think crowds need to be built up gradually" then where does Bradford stand in losing over half of theirs. I've left out the "Silly" bit of the end of your post, it's yours so you can keep it.

Parky - you always spout the same nonsense regardless of what anyone writes. There just isn't any connection between what I post and you claim that I post.

Nobody is suggesting that Crusaders ought to be kicked out or that Bradford are a well run club or that Town ought to be given another crack at SL.

The only comments I made were that playing Crusaders games in South Wales was a waste of time and their recent crowd figures are concerning. I don't recall ever mentioning that Wrexham Crusaders are a badly run side.

Edited by Northern Sol, 03 August 2010 - 07:35 PM.

[The Parksider]

Parky - you always spout the same nonsense regardless of what anyone writes. There just isn't any connection between what I post and you claim that I post.

The only comments I made were that playing Crusaders games in South Wales was a waste of time and their recent crowd figures are concerning. I don't recall ever mentioning that Wrexham Crusaders are a badly run side.

yes I apologise - I got the quotes mixed up between Crusaders and Cas/Wakey.

Thanks for claryfying the comments, but why is trying to connect Wrexham SL with scorpions, fans and players alike in south Wales where the future playing staff may come from, and dual registration be allocated to a "waste of time" and why aren't other crowds just as concerning to you, after all that was the start of the thread. That was the point - everyone jumps on the expansion clubs poor crowds, and your in here showing equal "concern".....