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#1 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:17 AM

It's disguting isn't it?
Perhaps someone shoiuld tell 50 year old Jamaican Merlene Ottey who will now represent Slovenia in the Olympics. She took part in the 1980 Moscow Olympics.
Athletics in terms of geographical spread and numbers is one of the biggest sports on earth. They don't have abeef with it. Good for them
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (l'angelo mysterioso @ Jul 26 2010, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's disgusting isn't it?


Yes it is.

Willie Manu for England is a joke.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:37 AM

QUOTE (l'angelo mysterioso @ Jul 26 2010, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps someone shoiuld tell 50 year old Jamaican Merlene Ottey who will now represent Slovenia in the Olympics. She took part in the 1980 Moscow Olympics.


They should, she aint Slovenian, if thats true cos i dont read papers, what the hell she doing over there biggrin.gif


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He balanced the hot areas with the cold areas. the dry areas with the wet areas.
And, in creating Yorkshire, he created the most glorious place on earth - full of majestic beauty and sporting giants.........and for balance he created....... Lancashire.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 09:34 AM

QUOTE (l'angelo mysterioso @ Jul 26 2010, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's disguting isn't it?
Perhaps someone shoiuld tell 50 year old Jamaican Merlene Ottey who will now represent Slovenia in the Olympics. She took part in the 1980 Moscow Olympics.
Athletics in terms of geographical spread and numbers is one of the biggest sports on earth. They don't have abeef with it. Good for them


Disgusting...........well you used that description.
Farcical would be a far more appropriate and certainly more accurate one.

There is on this theme no logical ending and it could ultimately ( although I admit unlikely ) result in an individual sportsperson representing any country they decide to visit, if the inducement proves worthwhile.
It is I suppose " modern.... ahem" 21st century, y'know, sort of thing.
Presumably you would argue, that not to go along with this sort of programme and to deny its efficacy is retrograde and could be viewed as old hat/fartish?

I contend that if for expedient reasons (which usually in any final analyses they prove to be) an individual finds it distasteful to continue representing their country of birth, for something as superficial as sport is really, then to hell with it and let them change on a weekly, daily basis even!

Three year rulings and the like are yet again just another form of usefulness in this entire charade and quite honestly are an insult to intelligence.





#5 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE (petero @ Jul 26 2010, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Disgusting...........well you used that description.
Farcical would be a far more appropriate and certainly more accurate one.

There is on this theme no logical ending and it could ultimately ( although I admit unlikely ) result in an individual sportsperson representing any country they decide to visit, if the inducement proves worthwhile.
It is I suppose " modern.... ahem" 21st century, y'know, sort of thing.
Presumably you would argue, that not to go along with this sort of programme and to deny its efficacy is retrograde and could be viewed as old hat/fartish?

I contend that if for expedient reasons (which usually in any final analyses they prove to be) an individual finds it distasteful to continue representing their country of birth, for something as superficial as sport is really, then to hell with it and let them change on a weekly, daily basis even!

Three year rulings and the like are yet again just another form of usefulness in this entire charade and quite honestly are an insult to intelligence.


pesonally it doesn't bother me, hence the slight sarcasm. I don't go for the idea of countries in that big a way.

However the case of Ottey, which has gone fairly unremarked upon-apart from her age, which is quite an achievement, flies in the face a little of the idea that 'only rugby league does this: and we are a laughing stock'. A major world wide sport doesn't have a beef with it and nobody seem to mind.
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#6 East Coast Tiger

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 11:50 AM

Our big problem is in fact that we aren't a big international sport. That's why we can't get away with it. It happens in soccer but who is going to care. Soccer is too big for any criticism about such things to matter and I reckon maybe that's why there is such little criticism.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (Lee @ Jul 26 2010, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They should, she aint Slovenian, if thats true cos i dont read papers, what the hell she doing over there biggrin.gif

Technically she is a naturalised Slovenian, having lived there for many years and taken Slovenian citizenship.

Taking an absolutist 'no' judgement, who should US citizen Martina Navratilova have played for? Czechoslovakia no longer exists. tongue.gif

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:58 PM

QUOTE (East Coast Tiger @ Jul 26 2010, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Our big problem is in fact that we aren't a big international sport. That's why we can't get away with it. It happens in soccer but who is going to care. Soccer is too big for any criticism about such things to matter and I reckon maybe that's why there is such little criticism.


True; in the last FIFA world cup, the two Boateng bothers played against each other. One for Ghana and one for Germany. If Rugby League had done such a thing, can you imagine the jeering from the usual suspects?

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Jul 26 2010, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Taking an absolutist 'no' judgement, who should US citizen Martina Navratilova have played for? Czechoslovakia no longer exists. tongue.gif


Just a shot in the dark here. The Czech Republic or Slovakia depending on where she was born?

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (l'angelo mysterioso @ Jul 26 2010, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A major world wide sport doesn't have a beef with it and nobody seem to mind.



I mind.

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#11 Robin Evans

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 02:05 PM

me n'all chris!!!

But you and I have done this one before!!!
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 02:19 PM

The acid test for me is this.

If Tonga and England were to be drawn together in a tournament, would he be happy playing for England or would his heart lie with Tonga.

If the latter then he couldn't possibly be comitted to England at any time and therefore not worthy of selection.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE (Dave P H @ Jul 26 2010, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The acid test for me is this.

If Tonga and England were to be drawn together in a tournament, would he be happy playing for England or would his heart lie with Tonga.

If the latter then he couldn't possibly be comitted to England at any time and therefore not worthy of selection.

...or for the land of his birth.

To me I'm more concerned that he played for somewhere else less than 12 months ago. Is he actually resident here at all or does he go "home" off season. Has he got a UK passport.....has he even applied>

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:23 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Jul 26 2010, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Technically she is a naturalised Slovenian, having lived there for many years and taken Slovenian citizenship.


I gathered that but off all the places to go, why Slovenia?



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He balanced the hot areas with the cold areas. the dry areas with the wet areas.
And, in creating Yorkshire, he created the most glorious place on earth - full of majestic beauty and sporting giants.........and for balance he created....... Lancashire.

#15 gingerjon

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (l'angelo mysterioso @ Jul 26 2010, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's disguting isn't it?
Perhaps someone shoiuld tell 50 year old Jamaican Merlene Ottey who will now represent Slovenia in the Olympics. She took part in the 1980 Moscow Olympics.
Athletics in terms of geographical spread and numbers is one of the biggest sports on earth. They don't have abeef with it. Good for them


Athletics is not a team sport. Fundamentally it's irrelevant what the flag on the vest is.
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#16 Dave T

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:32 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Jul 26 2010, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True; in the last FIFA world cup, the two Boateng bothers played against each other. One for Ghana and one for Germany. If Rugby League had done such a thing, can you imagine the jeering from the usual suspects?
Actually, aside from the usual suspects like Jones, Moore etc. who find fault out of nothing then most of the complaints come from RL fans.

I remember when the 2008 WC was approaching, there was all sorts of negativity from many RL fans about the fact that the Scotland and Ireland squads were made up of players with English and Aussie accents, yet their local press didn't care less. They are used to interviewing their sports stars and them having an Aussie accent, yet we have a huge chip on our shoulders about it.

Don't agree with changing nation mind, IMHO Manu should be nowhere near the squad.


#17 gingerjon

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Jul 26 2010, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True; in the last FIFA world cup, the two Boateng bothers played against each other.


The important bit being that they now cannot play for any other country.
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#18 gingerjon

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (East Coast Tiger @ Jul 26 2010, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It happens in soccer but who is going to care.


When has it happened in soccer?

Full internationals of the last 20 years only please ...
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#19 marklaspalmas

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:54 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Jul 26 2010, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True; in the last FIFA world cup, the two Boateng bothers played against each other. One for Ghana and one for Germany. If Rugby League had done such a thing, can you imagine the jeering from the usual suspects?


Tbf they have different dads so that might have something to do with them playing for different nationalities.

I don't right care what other sports do, but that Ottey situation is not right (though she must be an incredible athelete). Once you've run for Jamaica, it's Jamaica for you.

Same in RL. Pick your country. Then it's done.

#20 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Jul 26 2010, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Athletics is not a team sport. Fundamentally it's irrelevant what the flag on the vest is.

I think you'll find the relay event is
and countrys send athletics teams to championships, olympic games and so on.
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