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#1 paley

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 11:56 AM

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#2 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 12:52 PM

Interesting up to the point where he writes "Jonathan Davies's analysis is as astute as you will find in any commentary box anywhere. " Davies was a fanatstic player, but makes a lousy commentator, who appears to be completely out of touch with the modern game.

Mind you, Martin Kelner is a Swinton fan isn't he...


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Posted 09 August 2010 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Aug 9 2010, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting up to the point where he writes "Jonathan Davies's analysis is as astute as you will find in any commentary box anywhere. " Davies was a fanatstic player, but makes a lousy commentator, who appears to be completely out of touch with the modern game.

Mind you, Martin Kelner is a Swinton fan isn't he...


Watching the Leeds game back he does have a point and I would hope the BBC give the final to Woods and Kear.



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Posted 09 August 2010 - 01:36 PM

Davies will get the gig, he is always there for the big games because of his achievements in sport.



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Posted 09 August 2010 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 9 2010, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Davies will get the gig, he is always there for the big games because of his achievements in sport.


I'm glad you said sport and not League.

He makes the most obvious mistakes where in Kear you have someone is up to date with the current goings on and has by far the more superior knowledge of the sport.

Woods and Kear should get the final.

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 02:01 PM

Watching the 'red button' post-match forums, I saw Dave Woods for the first time in quite a while. He's lost a bit of weight, no?

In general, the BBC's coverage over the two semi-finals was pretty decent.

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#7 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 02:06 PM

Must admit, Jonathan Davies and Ray Fench apart, the BBC coverage has improved a lot. Clare really does seem enthusiastic about the sport. Just a shame less and less people are watching it on the BBC.



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Posted 09 August 2010 - 02:14 PM

In my opinion and experience, Davies is invariable correct in his analysis. He is just the sort of person we need on our side. Kear and French. although great servants, observers and interpreters of the game also reinforce the stereotype. Davies and Balding break it.

Davies commands great respect amongst players and fans of both codes, which is why, I suspect, he is not liked by some on here, tha' knows, sithee!

Edited by JohnM, 09 August 2010 - 02:17 PM.


#9 Wolford6

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 02:17 PM

Martin Kelner is back on Radio Leeds, doing the Breakfast Show. Improved mornings no end for me, especially as I can't do with either Chris Evans or Bill Turnbull.

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 02:20 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Aug 9 2010, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my opinion and experience, Davies is invariable correct in his analysis. He is just the sort of person we need on our side. Kear and French. although great servants, observers and interpreters of the game also reinforce the stereotype. Davies and Balding break it.

Davies commands great respect amongst players and fans of both codes, which is why, I suspect, he is not liked by some on here, tha' knows, sithee!


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Posted 09 August 2010 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Aug 9 2010, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Watching the 'red button' post-match forums, I saw Dave Woods for the first time in quite a while. He's lost a bit of weight, no?

In general, the BBC's coverage over the two semi-finals was pretty decent.

It was excellent, imo. It made a seismic leap forward when Clare Balding took over as frontperson and has got better and better ever since. Just the right balance between commentary, analysis and light hearted banter. Keep it up.

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#12 Futtocks

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 03:00 PM

QUOTE (paley @ Aug 9 2010, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Mind you, looking at the comments below the blog, that DonGorgon is a real charmer, isn't he? dry.gif

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#13 Griff9of13

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Aug 9 2010, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mind you, looking at the comments below the blog, that DonGorgon is a real charmer, isn't he? dry.gif

There's a good rebuttal further down where someone asks "are you AA Gill's agent?" laugh.gif

Edited by Griff9of13, 09 August 2010 - 03:20 PM.

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#14 nadera78

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 03:33 PM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Aug 9 2010, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a shame less and less people are watching it on the BBC.


Perhaps that's because no-one knows the games are being shown?
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#15 foozler

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 03:38 PM

QUOTE (Futtocks @ Aug 9 2010, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Watching the 'red button' post-match forums, I saw Dave Woods for the first time in quite a while. He's lost a bit of weight, no?

In general, the BBC's coverage over the two semi-finals was pretty decent.


He was on the BBC a couple of months back taking part in a rowing marathon, I think that's where the lard went.

#16 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 04:35 PM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Aug 9 2010, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Martin Kelner is back on Radio Leeds, doing the Breakfast Show. Improved mornings no end for me, especially as I can't do with either Chris Evans or Bill Turnbull.

I remember Martin doing breakfast on Jazz FM around 10 years ago. Excellent show. He had racing tips from the lady with the pin, and Dora Dale from the potato capital of Europe - Ormskirk. Jizz in your face Martin, as Dora used to say. laugh.gif





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Posted 09 August 2010 - 04:42 PM

I remember when he was on radio Aire doing the breakfast show and the Monsieur Haricot stories with the catchphrase"I've got mine on".Must have been in the early 80's
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#18 thirteenthman

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (terrywebbisgod @ Aug 9 2010, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember when he was on radio Aire doing the breakfast show and the Monsieur Haricot stories with the catchphrase"I've got mine on".Must have been in the early 80's

And of course he did a late night show on Radio Manchester, with Edouard LaPaglie the 'frenchman' who always pronounced Wakefield as Le Wacky-field.


#19 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Aug 9 2010, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And of course he did a late night show on Radio Manchester, with Edouard LaPaglie the 'frenchman' who always pronounced Wakefield as Le Wacky-field.

Edouard LaPaglie, that was the name, thanks for that. biggrin.gif
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 07:35 PM

Martin Kelner's piece was good fun but, like some others, I can't agree on his views re "Jiffy" Davies whose inability clearly to articulate his thoughts and feelings on the game and its players is stark by comparison with the perception, vision and revelatory brilliance he displayed sometimes when playing. He doesn't say anything that surprises or delights and adds little to our understanding of the game in vision.

Listening to the likes of Peter Sterling and, especially, Phil Gould - when the latter's stopped trashing English rugby league and all who sail in her - is more exciting partly because it's more educative. They appear to know more than Davies. I sense always, maybe wrongly, that rugby league is only Davies' second-favourite game.

Anyway, here's Tony Collins on what he terms the "Genuflection." Link









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