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If a French club is invited into Super League for 2012, which club would you want it to be?


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#21 The Parksider

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 10 2010, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that the dilemma for the RFL is that:

Toulouse is very serious, and wants to be in it for the long term, has a good junior structure and a relationship with other regional clubs as possible feeders, but is a bit suspect on the financial side at he moment (though that may be because of the bad economic climate we are all facing).

Paris SF is a completely different kind of candidate. Its backers have loads of casino money, and the prospect of a good stadium in the national capital, but SF has no junior structures yet, and its long term commitment is not as certain as that of the Toulouse management .

This makes it a very hard choice for the RFL, whether they are considering a French club for 2012 or 2015.


You can't turn down big money men and you can't turn down any area where junior RL can be strong.

Damn shame both ingredients aren't in one prospect.


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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Aug 10 2010, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can't turn down big money men and you can't turn down any area where junior RL can be strong.

Damn shame both ingredients aren't in one prospect.


Agree although I suspect the RFL will go for the club with the money

#23 High Peak Rhino

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 10 2010, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Paris and Toulouse are the only serious contenders.

Give your reasons why, as if you were advising Richard Lewis and Nigel Wood.


Why change the thread from Greg Inglis to a French Club 14 minutes after posting?
Occasionally I had time for your questions - not now.

Edited by High Peak Rhino, 10 August 2010 - 10:43 PM.


#24 ParisSurtout

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:40 PM

Another factor that the RFL will consider is which application is more likely to win a better and more generous TV contract than exists now. This could ease the financial burden on the RFL regarding French rugby league in general, as well as the cost of bringing in a new club.

That issue would favour Paris I would imagine, given the special entrepreneurial flair of its owner, the mercurial Max Guazzini.

Entrepreneurial flair is not a feature of the Toulouse management, though Carlos Zalduendo has an excellent relationship with all the power centres in Toulouse, and could be expected to raise more money when the French economy recovers.

French TV will be interested in a Toulouse franchise --- much more than it is in the Catalans franchise --- but less than it will be in a Paris franchise.

Edited by ParisSurtout, 10 August 2010 - 10:54 PM.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:46 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Aug 10 2010, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gawd, your transparent.

One more club other than Widnes mooted for SL does not give you less of a chance of getting in SL Jack.

Widnes tick all boxes apart from geography, have a sugar daddy the RFL were fools to ignore last time but won't this, RFL are committed to an NL club coming up and your lot are the only ones that in any way fit the bill.

I know Catalans stole your SL place and Crusaders and Salford stole it again.

But your home and dry mate. Relax

So why not relax with a second trip to France next year?? which one - Paris or Toulouse? Do you fancy a weekend in the historical and sophisticated city, or a weekend in the sunny relaxed south???


I say it how i see it Parky. I don't want any more French Teams in regardless of if we get in or not.

And i won't be going to France to watch them anyway.


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#26 Bulletproof

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:58 PM

When we've finished this thread we can play "Anne Widdecome Shag or Die" and "Which would you rather lose, one arm or both legs?".

These best of the worst case scenarios are always hilarious.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:00 PM

quite an easy one really.. as one is a current and long standing RL club, and the other is a name on a piece of paper.

i'd get Toulouse into SL as soon as they're ready.

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#28 High Peak Rhino

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Bulletproof @ Aug 10 2010, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When we've finished this thread we can play "Anne Widdecome Shag or Die" and "Which would you rather lose, one arm or both legs?".

These best of the worst case scenarios are always hilarious.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

#29 steef

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Bulletproof @ Aug 10 2010, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When we've finished this thread we can play "Anne Widdecome Shag or Die" and "Which would you rather lose, one arm or both legs?".

These best of the worst case scenarios are always hilarious.


these threads are more often like "pin the tail on the donkey"
"surely they've got to try somthing different now, maybe the little chip over the top?2


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#30 Bulletproof

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 03:45 AM

QUOTE (steef @ Aug 11 2010, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
these threads are more often like "pin the tail on the donkey"


Quite.

You might as well blindfold yourself and throw a dart on a worldmap and choose the place it lands rather than put Paris in, and contrary to popular belief Toulouse aren't that much better. They are certainly not a good bet for super league right now, and they have a lot of work to do until this is the case.

Asking us whether we want Paris or Toulouse in super league right now is overstepping the massive question mark shaped obstacle of whether we actually think any additional french club is anywhere ready for super league.

It's like disregarding all of the people who turned up for a job interview and instead choosing between the two people who didn't and speculating who would have turned up in the best suit if they could have been bothered getting out of bed that day.

#31 The Parksider

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 07:46 AM

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If we get in


ohmy.gif "If"???

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:18 AM

If RL is serious about France it needs to get both those clubs in plus a team from Provence

Having only one French team in SL is a joke,and will never get serious French cash flowing. I doubt if only two will either.

It would only take a couple of years to get youngsters stepping up to fully pro and you'd have four time the amount of top French players

Its a no brainer.


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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:29 AM

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If RL is serious about France it needs to get both those clubs in plus a team from Provence

Having only one French team in SL is a joke,and will never get serious French cash flowing. I doubt if only two will either.

It would only take a couple of years to get youngsters stepping up to fully pro and you'd have four time the amount of top French players

Its a no brainer.


other than the fact that in the short term they'd get flogged, making attracting fans hard. other than the sky given to them would take from existing SL clubs, other than unless SL can accomodate 18 teams any reduction in English teams is bad for the english game. And before anyone mentions increased TV deals, if there is such demand in france for the game why has no company done what sky did here 15 years ago? in TV sporting terms we are a cheap date.

I'd love to see another french club in SL eventually but Paris isn't a club yet and toulouse aren't ready, give them another 3 years to improve.

"surely they've got to try somthing different now, maybe the little chip over the top?2


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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Aug 10 2010, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gawd, your transparent.

One more club other than Widnes mooted for SL does not give you less of a chance of getting in SL Jack.

Widnes tick all boxes apart from geography, have a sugar daddy the RFL were fools to ignore last time but won't this, RFL are committed to an NL club coming up and your lot are the only ones that in any way fit the bill.

I know Catalans stole your SL place and Crusaders and Salford stole it again.

But your home and dry mate. Relax

So why not relax with a second trip to France next year?? which one - Paris or Toulouse? Do you fancy a weekend in the historical and sophisticated city, or a weekend in the sunny relaxed south???

wasnt the word from the rfl in the latest LE that this criteria was abolished? Expansion clubs may benefit from being in new territory but heartland clubs wouldnt be penalised for being near other heartland clubs. in fact it was seen as a positive in some ways.
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:38 AM

QUOTE (Bomb Jack @ Aug 10 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I say it how i see it Parky. I don't want any more French Teams in regardless of if we get in or not.

And i won't be going to France to watch them anyway.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:41 AM

Are the Paris SF seriously contenders though? I havent heard a whisper from them or the French RL since the idea was first proposed a year ago.

If they are serious then they would have to be a more financially sound bet than Toulouse, but we would need a signed giuarentee from the owner that they would back the club for 3 years.

We dont want another Celtic Crusaders farce.



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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:43 AM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Aug 11 2010, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ohmy.gif "If"???

I've told you!


I put if, as in i don't think they are ready regardless of if my Team is in or not.

Just so people don't think i take the " i'm alright Jack " attitude like lots of Super League fans do.

I myself am 99% sure we'll be in, whatever N.E and his oppos think............
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:45 AM

At the moment Stade Francais can join Barcelona, Wellington, Newcastle, Glasgow and even Northampton as places where SL clubs have been talked about starting up. That's all it is - talk. Back in the 80s the list of football clubs who were considering having a RL club was huge - thankfully most thought better of it.

As for Toulouse, maybe 2015, but they seem to have plenty of work to do. I'm also still not convinced that the player base exists in France. Until Catalans start producing more quality French players than they can accomodate in the squad, the game should stay with one French team.


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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:22 AM

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I myself am 99%


ohmy.gif 99% what's the 1%??

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:34 AM

Without doubt the club should be stationed in Tahiti and I would be delighted to be a season ticket holder. Guadaloupe maybe next best.