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NZ wants to co host the 2017 World Cup


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#1 The Future is League

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 06:37 PM

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:13 PM

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if NZ did co host the 2017 world cup it would be a huge boost to Rugby League in the land of the long white cloud.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:26 PM

That is brilliant news and I hope they have the courage to go through with it.

I'm a bit confused about 'new Asia-Pacific and European federations being set-up' - is RLEF being re-formed?
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Methven Hornet @ Aug 11 2010, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm a bit confused about 'new Asia-Pacific and European federations being set-up' - is RLEF being re-formed?


It seems to be saying there will be a European seat at the RLIF table- maybe the current RLEF is regarded as being too heavily influenced by the RFL. It would be interesting to hear more.
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:13 PM

Co-host? Why don't they go all out for it? Could be a huge boost to RL over there. There's not exactly that many games in the RLWC is there?
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:01 AM

Co-hosting it would be good for NZ and allow the Kiwis and countries like Samoa to play in front of "home" crowds. But hosting it alone would be silly. When you have the biggest RL markets in the world within a quick and cheap flight away it would be crazy to limit games to NZ. It would be a bit like having France host the entire tournament.

As for the federations, the RLIF have restructured. There are now five votes on the RLIF board. One each for the ARL, RFL and NZRL and one each to the RLEF and the new Pacific federation.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:07 AM

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It would be a bit like having France host the entire tournament.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (East Coast Tiger @ Aug 12 2010, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for the federations, the RLIF have restructured. There are now five votes on the RLIF board. One each for the ARL, RFL and NZRL and one each to the RLEF and the new Pacific federation.


Interesting. Seeing as the RFL is the dominant force in the RLEF you would assume they could influence how that vote is cast. The NZRL tends to support the ARL, largely because they are a client nation reliant on the ANZAC test for income. As I recall the ARL and NZRL haven't joined the Pacific body, which would mean that organisations vote could be up for grabs. That could make RLIF meetings a bit more interesting.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 07:00 AM

This is good news. For too long the NZRL have seemingly been happy to accept whatever scraps the Aussies let them have. Just look at the ANZAC test match. Next year will only be the 2nd time the Kiwis have staged it. Lets hope co-host doesn't just mean a macth against England in Auckland.

The development of the game in Europe is now clearly under the control of the RLEF, but in the pacific region it's a bit less clear. I thought the Pacific Federation, or whatever it's called, was just a grouping of the likes of PNG, Fiji etc. I didn't realise this was the development body. Surely the Aussies and Kiwis should be involved in this as much of the work would surely stem from them. Mind you, we never seem to hear much about what's going on out that way anyway.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE (nadera78 @ Aug 12 2010, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting. Seeing as the RFL is the dominant force in the RLEF you would assume they could influence how that vote is cast. The NZRL tends to support the ARL, largely because they are a client nation reliant on the ANZAC test for income. As I recall the ARL and NZRL haven't joined the Pacific body, which would mean that organisations vote could be up for grabs. That could make RLIF meetings a bit more interesting.

In what sense are the rfl the dominant force in the rlef? I'm not saying that you are wrong just curious as to how that works. Danny kandjazan said the rlef is funded entirely by the rlif for example.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE (nadera78 @ Aug 12 2010, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting. Seeing as the RFL is the dominant force in the RLEF you would assume they could influence how that vote is cast.


I take it you haven't met Danny Kazandjian.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Aug 12 2010, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is good news. For too long the NZRL have seemingly been happy to accept whatever scraps the Aussies let them have. Just look at the ANZAC test match. Next year will only be the 2nd time the Kiwis have staged it. Lets hope co-host doesn't just mean a macth against England in Auckland.


totally incorrect. the ARL has offered the nzrl to host the anzac test and they are the ones that want it in australia because it makes greater revenues here, of which they share.

the lack of corporate facilities (or in good numbers i think) at the warriors home ground or north harbour stadium have meant that brisbane for example makes it much better for them

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 11:44 AM

If NZ can make a go of hosting a RU world cup they will be able to host a RL one no probs.

I would like to see them go alone and host every game in 2017.



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Posted 12 August 2010 - 11:52 AM

A country the size of NZ where RL is not even close to the number one sport cannot host a profitable WC with the lack of travelling fans we have in RL. If you could play Australia v England in Wellington in front of a few thousand travelling fans and a handful of ex-pats or hop on a plane for a couple of hours and play it in Brisbane in front of 40,000 or more which would you choose?

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE (East Coast Tiger @ Aug 12 2010, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A country the size of NZ where RL is not even close to the number one sport cannot host a profitable WC with the lack of travelling fans we have in RL. If you could play Australia v England in Wellington in front of a few thousand travelling fans and a handful of ex-pats or hop on a plane for a couple of hours and play it in Brisbane in front of 40,000 or more which would you choose?

I think that's right. The more sensible idea would be to co-host but with NZ having the final, their own semi and the opening game. In that way it would be a Kiwi-flavoured competition but revenue would be maximised. The games involving the minor nations could be allocated depending on where they would be likely to attract the crowds - Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands in NZ, for example, and Fiji, PNG in Aus. Scotland might be more popular in NZ given its links with the place (more bagpipe bands than Scotland, I believe) with Ireland in Australia.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 01:05 PM

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Just look at the ANZAC test match. Next year will only be the 2nd time the Kiwis have staged it

It has to make money. Its not run by a charity.


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Posted 12 August 2010 - 01:24 PM

QUOTE (East Coast Tiger @ Aug 12 2010, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A country the size of NZ where RL is not even close to the number one sport cannot host a profitable WC with the lack of travelling fans we have in RL. If you could play Australia v England in Wellington in front of a few thousand travelling fans and a handful of ex-pats or hop on a plane for a couple of hours and play it in Brisbane in front of 40,000 or more which would you choose?


Couple of hours. Who you flying wi?

It'd be good for the game in NZ. Good luck to 'em.



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Posted 12 August 2010 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (jannerboyuk @ Aug 12 2010, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In what sense are the rfl the dominant force in the rlef? I'm not saying that you are wrong just curious as to how that works. Danny kandjazan said the rlef is funded entirely by the rlif for example.


I didn't know about the RLIF funding - there's never been an announcment regarding the profits from the RLWC and what they are being used for. Then again the RLIF can't even get a website up and running.

But seeing as the RFL are by far the dominant ngb in Europe, Richard Lewis and Nigel Wood are on the RLEF board, and if any of the other nations want to progress then they'll need the help and assistance of the RFL in the long term, then I think they'd be in a good position if they wanted to twist a few arms.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:46 PM

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totally incorrect. the ARL has offered the nzrl to host the anzac test and they are the ones that want it in australia because it makes greater revenues here, of which they share.

the lack of corporate facilities (or in good numbers i think) at the warriors home ground or north harbour stadium have meant that brisbane for example makes it much better for them

Not totally incorrect. Next year the game is in Christchurch.

While I realise that financial matters are important, if the game had been staged in NZ then the Kiwis might've won the fixture more often. That in turn might've generated more interest, boosting crowds, increasing sponsorship levels etc. It might've helped the games standing in NZ as well. Not that I suppose the ARL are too bothered about that though.

Instead the game has only been played in NZ once. Strangely enough it was the only time the Kiwis won. Given the reasons for keeping the game in Aus, it's odd that the game was played one year at Newcastle in front of only 20,000. Perhaps the trip to NZ is just a bit too far for the ARL.



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Posted 12 August 2010 - 10:16 PM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Aug 12 2010, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not totally incorrect. Next year the game is in Christchurch.

While I realise that financial matters are important, if the game had been staged in NZ then the Kiwis might've won the fixture more often. That in turn might've generated more interest, boosting crowds, increasing sponsorship levels etc. It might've helped the games standing in NZ as well. Not that I suppose the ARL are too bothered about that though.

Instead the game has only been played in NZ once. Strangely enough it was the only time the Kiwis won. Given the reasons for keeping the game in Aus, it's odd that the game was played one year at Newcastle in front of only 20,000. Perhaps the trip to NZ is just a bit too far for the ARL.


there was an article in an australian mag on this

the ARL was quoted as saying its the nzrl whose always wanted games to be played in australia, until now

but dont let the facts get in the way of your post




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