Kol Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) Is the CC really worth winning? IMO it's a great day out and it's more of a social occasion than seeing my team win this competition as I dont think its worth much. Sure it gets our game exposure in the BBC, but even so; has that made a real difference over the years the Beeb have had it? SL final means much more and I really sense that amongst the fans. Am I wrong? Edited August 13, 2010 by Kol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Is the CC really worth winning? IMO it's a great day out and it's more of a social occasion than seeing my team win this competition as I dont think its worth much. Sure it gets our game exposure in the BBC, but even so; has that made a real difference over the years the Beeb have had it? SL final means much more and I really sense that amongst the fans. Am I wrong? the fact that it's a social occassion is a plus point the cc has issues to face regarding declining attendances in the early rounds but it sure as hell is worth it WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Hall Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Is the CC really worth winning? IMO it's a great day out and it's more of a social occasion than seeing my team win this competition as I dont think its worth much. Sure it gets our game exposure in the BBC, but even so; has that made a real difference over the years the Beeb have had it? SL final means much more and I really sense that amongst the fans. Am I wrong? I'd give my right knacker to see my team lift the trophy. Of course it's worth it. http://www.alldesignandprint.co.uk Printing & Graphic Design with Nationwide Service Programmes | Leaflets | Cards | Banners & Flags | Letterheads | Tickets | Magazines | Folders | Brand Identity plus much more Official Matchday Programme Print & Design Partner to York City Knights, Heworth ARLFC, York Acorn RLFC & Hunslet RLFC Official Player Sponsor of Marcus Stock for the 2020 Season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I'd give my right knacker to see my team lift the trophy. Of course it's worth it. i wouldn't part with a knacker!! but it is still our top comp it just needs some stimulation, and i believe the only way these days is to throw more money at it, bigger cash prizes in earlier rounds would inspire teams to play harder and a bigger cash prize at the end of it would help. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rioman Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Is the Challenge Cup worth it? Just ask every team in the two lower leagues and every Super League club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulligerent Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Absolutely worth it; having been to both the CC and Grand Final to watch my team and having seen us win and lose in both, i can say that the joy and pain of winning/losing either were equal IMO. Not withstanding all of the above, no matter who you're watching in either final both are a damned good day out and great showpiece occasions for our sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jannerboyuk Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Only a leaguie would argue that a social element dims its value! The getting together of all fans from different clubs adds to the occasion as well as the sporting drama. Its multi-layered innit. Personally can't wait to go to wembley and be amongst the league massive. 80,000 people making the statement: we are still here and we love this sport. PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF http://www.rugbyleaguecares.org/ and http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/article/8790/join-team-wales-for-2013 Predictions for the future - Crusaders RL to get a franchise for 2012 onwards -WRONG Widnes Vikings also to get a franchise - RIGHT Crusaders RL to do the double over Widnes and finish five places ahead of them -WRONG Widnes Vikings NOT to dominate rugby league in years to come! STILL TO COME http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/cardiffdemonsrlfc/ http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/ I promise to pay �10 to the charity of Bomb Jacks choice if Widnes Millionaires finish above the battling underdogs Crusaders RL. I OWE A TENNER! http://www.jaxaxe.co...89/Default.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Of course it's worth it, ask any player and they will tell you that their dream is to play at Wembley for their club and win the Challenge Cup.It has history and tradition, something that Murdoch and his millions are trying to create with the Grand Final, he has a very long way to go. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R J Wagsmith Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Is the CC really worth winning? IMO it's a great day out and it's more of a social occasion than seeing my team win this competition as I dont think its worth much. Sure it gets our game exposure in the BBC, but even so; has that made a real difference over the years the Beeb have had it? SL final means much more and I really sense that amongst the fans. Am I wrong? Yes. You are wrong. Very wrong. Depressingly wrong.The Challenge Cup "isn't worth much". Oh, please. The Cup has tradition, history, romance. It embodies the very essence of what sport is about. It excites. It offers hope and magic. It offers all clubs the chance to succeed. "The SL final means much more". All sports change but, for goodness sake, don't be daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthman Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Yes. You are wrong. Very wrong. Depressingly wrong.The Challenge Cup "isn't worth much". Oh, please. The Cup has tradition, history, romance. It embodies the very essence of what sport is about. It excites. It offers hope and magic. It offers all clubs the chance to succeed. "The SL final means much more". All sports change but, for goodness sake, don't be daft. I agree about the history and tradition. It certainly should still be regarded along side the SL GF in terms of importance. Just because one was started over 100 years ago and the other only started in 1998 doesn't make one more important than the other. However, there's very little romance about the cup nowadays, and it certainly doesn't 'offer all clubs the chance to succeed'. And last weekend we saw a semi-final played out between Leeds and Saints in a ground only three-quarters full. While an appearance in the final will bring out the casual fan (Warrington's full of them at the moment), the rounds that lead up to it can struggle to gain attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Don't really understand the question, of course it is worth it. There are two major trophies in this country, and two prestigious finals. This game will attract the highest RL crowd this year in this country and will be great for players and fans alike, and a real financial boost for the clubs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jannerboyuk Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I agree about the history and tradition. It certainly should still be regarded along side the SL GF in terms of importance. Just because one was started over 100 years ago and the other only started in 1998 doesn't make one more important than the other. However, there's very little romance about the cup nowadays, and it certainly doesn't 'offer all clubs the chance to succeed'. And last weekend we saw a semi-final played out between Leeds and Saints in a ground only three-quarters full. While an appearance in the final will bring out the casual fan (Warrington's full of them at the moment), the rounds that lead up to it can struggle to gain attention. success is relative. barrow where successful, the amateur clubs that got through to the latter rounds were successful. success isnt just the final. PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF http://www.rugbyleaguecares.org/ and http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/article/8790/join-team-wales-for-2013 Predictions for the future - Crusaders RL to get a franchise for 2012 onwards -WRONG Widnes Vikings also to get a franchise - RIGHT Crusaders RL to do the double over Widnes and finish five places ahead of them -WRONG Widnes Vikings NOT to dominate rugby league in years to come! STILL TO COME http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/cardiffdemonsrlfc/ http://www.walesrugbyleague.co.uk/ I promise to pay �10 to the charity of Bomb Jacks choice if Widnes Millionaires finish above the battling underdogs Crusaders RL. I OWE A TENNER! http://www.jaxaxe.co...89/Default.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I agree about the history and tradition. It certainly should still be regarded along side the SL GF in terms of importance. Just because one was started over 100 years ago and the other only started in 1998 doesn't make one more important than the other. However, there's very little romance about the cup nowadays, and it certainly doesn't 'offer all clubs the chance to succeed'. And last weekend we saw a semi-final played out between Leeds and Saints in a ground only three-quarters full. While an appearance in the final will bring out the casual fan (Warrington's full of them at the moment), the rounds that lead up to it can struggle to gain attention. Being honest though, did it ever? There are still shocks that happen though, Toulouse making the semis a few years back, Hull KR making the semis in the lower division, Catalans making the final, it still isn't that long ago since Sheffield won, Hull beating Leeds in the final and so on. Throughout history, it has generally been the better teams that win the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthman Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 success is relative. barrow where successful, the amateur clubs that got through to the latter rounds were successful. success isnt just the final. I agree about Barrow, but they were the only example this year. As for the amateur clubs, none got through to round 4 with the ones who made it to round 3 getting well beaten in front of small crowds. It just seems that the romance of the cup isn't quite as, well, romantic as it once was. Genuine cup shocks are few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audois Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I agree about Barrow, but they were the only example this year. As for the amateur clubs, none got through to round 4 with the ones who made it to round 3 getting well beaten in front of small crowds. It just seems that the romance of the cup isn't quite as, well, romantic as it once was. Genuine cup shocks are few and far between. I think one of the results of full time professionalism and the SL was that it really meant only a dozen or clubs so have got any chance of reaching Wembley. When we had one big league of semi professionals it was different. There was always a feel that it could be your year. In 1967 with a Barrow/Fev Final you had two sides who finished in I think 16th and 17th in the league that year. I believe the lowest ever league standing 25th was Halifax when reaching the CC Final in the late 1940s. "It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires" - Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933 "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." - Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Si tu( Remi Casty) devais envoyer un fax au Président Guasch? " Un grand bravo pour ce que vous avez fait,et merci de m 'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976PMJwires Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 The attendance says its worth it. its bigger than the GF...... and before anyone says theres a difference in stadium size, look at the GF finals decline v's actual attendance cc finals. Is it worth it......... Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Ask the club chairmen if it's worth it - I read somewhere that last year's win was worth around I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry the Berry Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Only a leaguie would argue that a social element dims its value! The getting together of all fans from different clubs adds to the occasion as well as the sporting drama. Its multi-layered innit. Personally can't wait to go to wembley and be amongst the league massive. 80,000 people making the statement: we are still here and we love this sport. Spot on Janner. Plus it's a knock-out competition that the Aussies are envious of. The only tinkering I'd to with the early rounds is make the Super League teams play away if they're drawn against a non-SL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Country Wire Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Is the CC really worth winning? IMO it's a great day out and it's more of a social occasion than seeing my team win this competition as I dont think its worth much. Sure it gets our game exposure in the BBC, but even so; has that made a real difference over the years the Beeb have had it? SL final means much more and I really sense that amongst the fans. Am I wrong? You're right that the SL title is more important than the Cup but that's true in all sports. However, I'd say it's still important and after waiting years to win a trophy last year's final was an absolute highlight. I agree about Barrow, but they were the only example this year. As for the amateur clubs, none got through to round 4 with the ones who made it to round 3 getting well beaten in front of small crowds. It just seems that the romance of the cup isn't quite as, well, romantic as it once was. Genuine cup shocks are few and far between. Maybe it's time to abandon the seeded draw which only seems to happen in the 3rd round. Last new RL ground (96): Queensway Stadium - North Wales v South Wales 25/6/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry the Berry Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 The attendance says its worth it. its bigger than the GF...... and before anyone says theres a difference in stadium size, look at the GF finals decline v's actual attendance cc finals. Is it worth it......... Yes it is. GF finals decline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindle xiii Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 GF finals decline? Ever since 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheObserver Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I agree about the history and tradition. It certainly should still be regarded along side the SL GF in terms of importance. Just because one was started over 100 years ago and the other only started in 1998 doesn't make one more important than the other. However, there's very little romance about the cup nowadays, and it certainly doesn't 'offer all clubs the chance to succeed'. And last weekend we saw a semi-final played out between Leeds and Saints in a ground only three-quarters full. While an appearance in the final will bring out the casual fan (Warrington's full of them at the moment), the rounds that lead up to it can struggle to gain attention. The Challenge Cup Final offers a great occasion. It gives a great day out in London for the fans, clubs want to win it. However, perhaps the knockout format needs a rethink. Most clubs succeed largely by the luck of the draw, and some benefit by getting an easier run to later rounds. In this full time era, the prospect of upsets is minimal. From 2002 to 2010, in 102 ties between SL clubs and semi pro/amateur teams (NL/Championship): * SL clubs - won 98 * NL/Ch/amateur - won 4 Average margin - 40 points In ties between semi pro and amateur clubs: * semi pro clubs - won 71 * amateur clubs - won 2 Average margin - 39 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugby female Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Is the CC really worth winning? IMO it's a great day out and it's more of a social occasion than seeing my team win this competition as I dont think its worth much. Sure it gets our game exposure in the BBC, but even so; has that made a real difference over the years the Beeb have had it? SL final means much more and I really sense that amongst the fans. Am I wrong? If you are asking the question, then you surely aren't a 'true' RL fan?!!!! I have been to the CC Final for the last 25yrs+, whichever venue it has been played. No matter which teams are playing. But that is the beauty and pleasure of it, all fans/clubs getting together for the wk end and celebrating all that is R.L and R.L friendship?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976PMJwires Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 GF finals decline? My comments based on a 10k drop in 3 years see link to back my comments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_Grand_Final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilderspoolmemories Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Is the CC really worth winning? IMO it's a great day out and it's more of a social occasion than seeing my team win this competition as I dont think its worth much. Sure it gets our game exposure in the BBC, but even so; has that made a real difference over the years the Beeb have had it? SL final means much more and I really sense that amongst the fans. Am I wrong? For all the memories from last year(and hopefully again this year)then yes it's definately worth it! 2009 Warrington 25 Hudderfield 16 2010 Warrington 30 Leeds 6 2011 League Leaders Shield Winners 2012 Warrington 35 Leeds 18 Challenge cups and league leaders shields everywhere! We need more silver polish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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