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#21 no13benny

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 01:29 PM

Denis Betts was great at Wigan. Would be a major coup for Quins, imo.
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Posted 17 August 2010 - 01:43 PM

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Denis Betts was great at Wigan. Would be a major coup for Quins, imo.


I agree, he was alrate at Wigan but he's been out of the game for too long.

Burn 'im.



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Posted 17 August 2010 - 02:25 PM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Aug 17 2010, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suspect we'll be fielding Skolars' reserve thirteen next season with you as coach.


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#24 THE RED ROOSTER

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 05:32 PM

So Mac is no more in London as I posted in a different thread about a week ago.
It's side-splitting to hear posters regarding Mac as an England coach with a record reading 7 wins out of 37 since the middle of last year. The unacceptable run on the field has hampered the club off the field no end and his departure may be the only reason why some season ticket holders like myself renew.

That is of course if there is a London Club next year.....

One fact that people have not commented on in respect of the end of the "Harlequins" experiment Is that originally the basis of the deal with the union club was wearing the name and colours of the union club and one that basis there was a three year "rent free" deal at the end of which the union club had the option to purchase the League Club and merge. Business logic persuaded the Union board not to go down this path and this lead to the "commercial rent"agreement for the use of the Stoop and the modifications to the Harlequins logo as Harlequins Rugby League. But since the club put its relationship with Harlequins Rugby Union on a commercial footing IMO there is no reason why David Hughes or AN Other owner could not change the name and colours of the club if he so wished.

This has not been a question put to David at any of the fan forums held but if the proposed end of season one ever takes place..... wink.gif

As for moving from the Stoop, Crusaders are the example that franchises are viewed by the RFL as "portable" so the question would be who would want a rugby league club as a partner in a stadium in the South East / South Midlands. And it would have to be a partnership rather than a tenancy....

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#25 Methven Hornet

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 09:01 PM

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i thikn the RFL have to take a hand in it and really give it some backing to get them some success to get people along.. people in london will go IMO if there is success and they are in the right place.. accesible, zone 1 or 2 imo.. and without private investment, which i agree is going ot be very difficult, the RFL may well have to take this on and they would be right to do so IMO.. London is importnat and can be cracked but i think it needs a onn commericial drive for a few years..

It would have to be an arms-length type of arrangement rather than the governing body itself running the club. A bit like a government/quango set-up.

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Aug 17 2010, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suspect we'll be fielding Skolars' reserve thirteen next season with you as coach.


What Skolars have a reserve team?. Oh yes the ones that have blob games this year.

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#27 RP London

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 07:21 AM

QUOTE (Methven Hornet @ Aug 17 2010, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It would have to be an arms-length type of arrangement rather than the governing body itself running the club. A bit like a government/quango set-up.

Or would that be a quingo? tongue.gif

Sorry...


i'm assuimng that that was all a set up for quingo.. if so then fair play

if not then i dont agree tongue.gif

#28 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 10:04 AM

Any chance they'll be out of the Stoop next year and change back to London RLFC?

I really hope so otherwise next year will be a disaster. Complete failure at the Stoop as it was last time

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Aug 18 2010, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any chance they'll be out of the Stoop next year and change back to London RLFC?

I really hope so otherwise next year will be a disaster. Complete failure at the Stoop as it was last time

surely it will depend, as always, on if there is a better offer out there. ie does anyone want them, cost, rebranding costs etc etc etc etc etc same old argument.. yes quins may not be great but what else is on the table for them (yuou will of course speculate on where they should go etc without any knowedlge of whether said ground/team would even be interested!)

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Stag Fan @ Aug 17 2010, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What Skolars have a reserve team?. Oh yes the ones that have blob games this year.


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#31 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (RP London @ Aug 18 2010, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
surely it will depend, as always, on if there is a better offer out there. ie does anyone want them, cost, rebranding costs etc etc etc etc etc same old argument.. yes quins may not be great but what else is on the table for them (yuou will of course speculate on where they should go etc without any knowedlge of whether said ground/team would even be interested!)


Anywhere is better than the Stoop. Sub-1.5k crowds will be the norm next year if they stay

Better to go back to being London RLFC, pay more rent and cut player costs by fielding an entire London team. Even if they come bottom (like this year) it doesn't matter

#32 RP London

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Aug 18 2010, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anywhere is better than the Stoop. Sub-1.5k crowds will be the norm next year if they stay

Better to go back to being London RLFC, pay more rent and cut player costs by fielding an entire London team. Even if they come bottom (like this year) it doesn't matter

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there may well be no one who will have them no matter what the rent..

oh and no its not better if it sends you totally bust never to be seen again.. if they need to stay at the stoop for the year to get them something sorted long term then so be it.. but you are intelligent to know that it very much does matter the balance of the finances, another short term (one year)change etc.. their next move/re brand has to be long term etc a short term move again would pretty much kill it stone dead more so than staying at the stoop for a year while sorting the long term future out.

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#33 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE (RP London @ Aug 18 2010, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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there may well be no one who will have them no matter what the rent..

oh and no its not better if it sends you totally bust never to be seen again.. if they need to stay at the stoop for the year to get them something sorted long term then so be it.. but you are intelligent to know that it very much does matter the balance of the finances, another short term (one year)change etc.. their next move/re brand has to be long term etc a short term move again would pretty much kill it stone dead more so than staying at the stoop for a year while sorting the long term future out.


Find it hard to believe that not a single stadium in London would be possible. Must be plenty of soccer clubs who are not that flush

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:35 PM

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Find it hard to believe that not a single stadium in London would be possible. Must be plenty of soccer clubs who are not that flush


its not necessariloy about being that flush and having them desperate to have you in there.. you need something in return and also some clubs just dont want the extra possible expense, the extra usage onpitch etc.. we have had this discussion so many times before.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE (RP London @ Aug 18 2010, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its not necessariloy about being that flush and having them desperate to have you in there.. you need something in return and also some clubs just dont want the extra possible expense, the extra usage onpitch etc.. we have had this discussion so many times before.


But many RL clubs have tiny soccer clubs playing on their pitches up north, so I'm sure that a few extra quid is worthwhile. Prob not at premiership clubs but there are many other stadiums in and around London

Also I'm sure Quins RL will go bust anyway if they stay at the Stoop as crowds are so dire (and will get worse)

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:37 PM

Rumour doing the rounds at Trinty v Warrington game last Sunday was that Quins have applied to move to Milton Keynes for next season, Quins backer wants to move the francise out of London but Brian felt that this would be letting down all those people who have done such a great job at ` grass roots` level in London. Backer fed up of running club at huge loss. Players do not want to relocate to MK and there are arguments re whether it makes their contracts null and void. There is also some sort of SL rule saying that you can only move a francise 12 miles ( sounds daft to me , why 12 miles ? ) so the Quins owner / backer is saying to SL either allow me to move to MK or I pull out, precedent set with Crusaders. Terrace rumours are normaly rubbish, has anyone else heard of a proposed move to MK. Would hate to see London not represented in SL. A good friend of mine coaches at one of the London academies and often reports how fantastic junior RL is in London, it would be a disaster if these very talented young London based, recent RL converts, did not have a SL club to sign for.

#37 Wolford6

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (burke @ Aug 18 2010, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it would be a disaster if these very talented young London based, recent RL converts, did not have a SL club to sign for.



In fairness, that would be no different to the situation in Cumbria and South Wales.

I think Brisbane Road would be the best solution, though the pitch looks a bit short ... a tie-in with Barry Hearn would be good for the sport.

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#38 Big Picture

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Aug 18 2010, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In fairness, that would be no different to the situation in Cumbria and South Wales.

I think Brisbane Road would be the best solution, though the pitch looks a bit short ... a tie-in with Barry Hearn would be good for the sport.

According to the information here it's 115 yards long and 80 wide, or 105 by 73 metres. The uncertain part is whether that's the length between the soccer goal lines or not, and how much room there is behind the soccer goals though it looks tight from the pictures they have there. Capacity's low too, under 10,000.

#39 THE RED ROOSTER

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (burke @ Aug 18 2010, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rumour doing the rounds at Trinty v Warrington game last Sunday was that Quins have applied to move to Milton Keynes for next season, Quins backer wants to move the francise out of London but Brian felt that this would be letting down all those people who have done such a great job at ` grass roots` level in London. Backer fed up of running club at huge loss. Players do not want to relocate to MK and there are arguments re whether it makes their contracts null and void. There is also some sort of SL rule saying that you can only move a francise 12 miles ( sounds daft to me , why 12 miles ? ) so the Quins owner / backer is saying to SL either allow me to move to MK or I pull out, precedent set with Crusaders. Terrace rumours are normaly rubbish, has anyone else heard of a proposed move to MK. Would hate to see London not represented in SL. A good friend of mine coaches at one of the London academies and often reports how fantastic junior RL is in London, it would be a disaster if these very talented young London based, recent RL converts, did not have a SL club to sign for.


Its a reasonable assumption that if rumours of a move to MK Dons were true it would have leaked on the MK Dons forum. It appears not to have
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Considering the position Wakefield are in perhaps someone has an ulterior motive for starting this rumour wink.gif
Two other points
Why would the rent at MK Dons be less than that currently being paid at The Stoop?
Who at MK Dons would want a Rugby League club on site ?

As I have said before on this forum. if starting a league from scatch Milton Keynes would be an option but not as a venue for relocation unless someone in MK is buying Ian Lenargan's stake.

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#40 Blind side johnny

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 07:46 AM



Would losing Quins/London RLFC be such a disaster for the sport (as against for their fans)?


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