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Poll: Crusaders RL v St. Helens (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Who will win?

  1. Crusaders (3 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. St Helens (12 votes [80.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

  3. Draw (0 votes [0.00%])

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#41 my missus

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 07:54 PM

lomax wraps up the game with a good try 30-10

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#42 West Country Eagle

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 07:56 PM

QUOTE (dreamcatcher37 @ Aug 21 2010, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Noble not happy with that decision


I don't blame him - it was a shocker!
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#43 my missus

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 07:57 PM

puletua gets anothe 36-10 and saints go second on points diff.

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#44 dreamcatcher37

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 07:57 PM

QUOTE (goldcard @ Aug 21 2010, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is he on the pitch yet? cool.gif


He's gone!

Sorry on the side of the pitch, thought he had walked off, sorry

Edited by dreamcatcher37, 21 August 2010 - 08:00 PM.


#45 deluded pom?

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 07:59 PM

QUOTE (West Country Eagle @ Aug 21 2010, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't blame him - it was a shocker!



Don't talk soft. I'm sure Mr Cummins wil explain why Mr Smith reached the decision that he did.

Edited by deluded pom?, 22 August 2010 - 09:40 AM.

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#46 my missus

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:03 PM

a hard fought win for saints and costly eastmond gone with a hip injury cunningham a jaw injury and grahams suffering from a loose tongue and quivering lip.
full time

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That it moves me so much
Why all the fuss
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#47 dreamcatcher37

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:15 PM

Crusaders put up a brave fight but the Saints had an extra man on their side!! laugh.gif

#48 Padge

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:18 PM

I'm normally first to defend refs, but; wtf was Smith thinking with that Roby try. blink.gif

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Padge @ Aug 21 2010, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm normally first to defend refs, but; wtf was Smith thinking with that Roby try. blink.gif


It's hard to defend

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#50 Wendall

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:25 PM

Hard game. Saints only pulled away after that disgraceful decision by the video ref Ian Smith - if the RFL have any balls they should ban him from reffing again for a while like the NRL have done with Bill Harrigan.



#51 dreamcatcher37

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE (amh @ Aug 21 2010, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's hard to defend


I think his reasoning was that it was not a knock on, the ball went backwards, player lost control then re-gained the ball, but if this happened in open play surely it would have been a penalty?

#52 goldcard

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:20 PM

Benefit of doubt to the big name club , erm, erm, attacking side?
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:22 PM

QUOTE (goldcard @ Aug 21 2010, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Benefit of doubt to the big name club , erm, erm, attacking side?


you can talk...yer int top 4 now, so get the same tongue.gif

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:33 PM

QUOTE (goldcard @ Aug 21 2010, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Benefit of doubt to the big name club , erm, erm, attacking side?



What about Westwood last night...never a try if he had gone to the screen, never mind they all count biggrin.gif

meant we needed 21 clear tonight, instead of 14..lol biggrin.gif
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#55 JohnM

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:24 PM

I'd like to put in a good word for Saints. ohmy.gif

Its good to see them up there in their traditional league position.. huh.gif

.....playing second fiddle to Wigan. laugh.gif

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:34 PM

QUOTE (goldcard @ Aug 22 2010, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Benefit of doubt to the big name club , erm, erm, attacking side?


Nah! You were right first time.

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE (amh @ Aug 21 2010, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you can talk...yer int top 4 now, so get the same tongue.gif

I know, and one day we'll be despised just like Skints and the Pies have been, if it lasts.
Of course, Wezza has been speeding up the process, sadly.... glare.gif
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#58 SonikGav

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:34 PM

Looks like Nobby is learning what its like when your not part of one of the 'chosen' few teams....hang on a min...he's at Crusaders. Surely the RFL wants them in the play off to prove their a success just like Catalans. Why are all these decisions going against them?

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:48 PM

I think that game exposed 3 flaws within the RL rule book.

First why when held is called and then the ball passed almost at the same time is it a scrum?
Surely the ref can blow and tell them to play the ball where held was called.

Secondly, why when a ball hits an injured player is it a scrum and 6 more to the attacking side?

Thirdly there needs to be a rewording of the knock on rule. We thought it was a knock on and all in the house where stunned when it came up TRY. From what was said on the TV, the reason for the try is that contact with the ball was never lost. We watched it back and it's true he hs it in his hand, then it slides under his arm to his other arm, at no point is there space between body and ball and then he brings it back to the try line with his other hand.

I can't argue with that, but when the ball initially slides out of his hand and under his arm, this is out of his control, it only stays in contact by pure luck. I'm sure some element of control can be written into the rules.

From my understanding of the knock on rule the ball must leave the player and hit the ground or another player in a forward motion. In this case the ball never left the player but more by luck than judgement and it was only because he was already on the ground that there was no seperation between ball and arm.


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#60 Brigg Rover

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:04 AM

QUOTE (bewareshadows @ Aug 22 2010, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that game exposed 3 flaws within the RL rule book.

First why when held is called and then the ball passed almost at the same time is it a scrum?
Surely the ref can blow and tell them to play the ball where held was called.

Secondly, why when a ball hits an injured player is it a scrum and 6 more to the attacking side?

Thirdly there needs to be a rewording of the knock on rule. We thought it was a knock on and all in the house where stunned when it came up TRY. From what was said on the TV, the reason for the try is that contact with the ball was never lost. We watched it back and it's true he hs it in his hand, then it slides under his arm to his other arm, at no point is there space between body and ball and then he brings it back to the try line with his other hand.

I can't argue with that, but when the ball initially slides out of his hand and under his arm, this is out of his control, it only stays in contact by pure luck. I'm sure some element of control can be written into the rules.

From my understanding of the knock on rule the ball must leave the player and hit the ground or another player in a forward motion. In this case the ball never left the player but more by luck than judgement and it was only because he was already on the ground that there was no seperation between ball and arm.


I can't quite belive what I am about to say but, Shaun McRae was 100% correct when he said in any other part of the field the ref would have blown up for a knock on and a scrum down. Even if there is no "seperation" of the ball from his arm (which I have grave doubts over having seen the TV angle from the back) then it is apparently now acceptable to put the ball on the ground and roll it over the tryline (as long as there is no seperation).

Just like the Lee Smith try in the grand final, these idiots in the Video booth are ruining good (and great games in terms of the grand final). They are also the reason I will not pay good money to go and watch RFL events like the CC final, the Grand Final or International games nowadays. Especially as that completely muppet Cummings will be on to justify why Ian Smith was right! angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif




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