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#61 Old Frightful

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:32 AM

QUOTE (Brigg Rover @ Aug 22 2010, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't quite belive what I am about to say but, Shaun McRae was 100% correct when he said in any other part of the field the ref would have blown up for a knock on and a scrum down. Even if there is no "seperation" of the ball from his arm (which I have grave doubts over having seen the TV angle from the back) then it is apparently now acceptable to put the ball on the ground and roll it over the tryline (as long as there is no seperation).

You've beat me to it BR. Where I watched the game last night, you couldn't hear the commentary so I missed what McRae said, but that was to be my comment on the matter. You can accidentally kick the ball forward at a play the ball, knock it a yard backwards from a high kick, and yet it will almost certainly be deemed a knock on. I can accept benefit of the doubt, if it looks like a try but you can't be 100% certain, but this wasn't even close.

As a sport, we led the way with using technology in situations like this, and then we have some muppet confounding everybody watching by ignoring the evidence available to him.

Maybe it's time to employ three video referees and let them have a mini jury. Granted it may take a few seconds longer, but it's worth trying if it will eradicate farcical decisions like the Roby "try".




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#62 deluded pom?

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE (bewareshadows @ Aug 22 2010, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't argue with that, but when the ball initially slides out of his hand and under his arm, this is out of his control, it only stays in contact by pure luck. I'm sure some element of control can be written into the rules.



I always thought there already was a reference to the player having control of the ball, when grounding it for a try, in the rule book. Having said that I've lost count of the number of tries I've seen awarded by a VR where the player has obviously lost control of the ball and it's just pure luck that he has a finger nail on the ball when it hits the ground. In my eyes this scenario is a no try as the player has lost any control of the ball that he had. 20 metre tap restart to the defending team.

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#63 Ullman

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:42 AM

QUOTE (Old Frightful @ Aug 22 2010, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You've beat me to it BR. Where I watched the game last night, you couldn't hear the commentary so I missed what McRae said, but that was to be my comment on the matter. You can accidentally kick the ball forward at a play the ball, knock it a yard backwards from a high kick, and yet it will almost certainly be deemed a knock on. I can accept benefit of the doubt, if it looks like a try but you can't be 100% certain, but this wasn't even close.

As a sport, we led the way with using technology in situations like this, and then we have some muppet confounding everybody watching by ignoring the evidence available to him.

Maybe it's time to employ three video referees and let them have a mini jury. Granted it may take a few seconds longer, but it's worth trying if it will eradicate farcical decisions like the Roby "try".

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#64 Old Frightful

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:53 AM

QUOTE (Ullman @ Aug 22 2010, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Curry's window?

No, my neighbour's actually. The day he had Sky installed coupled with his ill fitting vertical blinds was a great day for me. Sadly I was arrested late on last night after falling from my ladders...

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#65 Ullman

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (Old Frightful @ Aug 22 2010, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, my neighbour's actually. The day he had Sky installed coupled with his ill fitting vertical blinds was a great day for me. Sadly I was arrested late on last night after falling from my ladders...

Taking eight cans of Stella up there with you was pushing your luck to be honest.

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#66 bewareshadows

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 11:35 AM

QUOTE (Ullman @ Aug 22 2010, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Taking eight cans of Stella up there with you was pushing your luck to be honest.


I think the touch down senarios really need a tidy up.

Yes the call last night was suprising but not unusual. Many a time players seam to loose the ball over the line only to have a finger touch it as it hits the deck and so try is awarded. Or when a try is scored by the fore arm or elbow. Even the belly button on occasion.

Rather than looking at 40/20's and the size of the ball or position of the posts, why not get the basic clear for everyone then we can look at other areas of the game.

The old chestnut of scrums also springs to mind.
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Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#67 bewareshadows

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:54 PM

Any way, not really much chat about the game with everyone focusing on a 2 second incident.

I thought that Saints looked very shaky in that first half, we just seamed to lack any go forward. There were plently of people wanting to offload the ball, but no one was doing it very well. We were also our own worst enemies in terms of giving away masses of penalties.

On serveral occasions I found myself shouting get off him at the TV just second before the ref penalised us. As for crusaders, I thought their running with the ball was alot stronger. They seamed to get their head through the tacklers on many occasion and even before the Roby incident I thought we rode our luck and had fortune on or side that the crusaders lacked that finese on the last play.

The second half we seamed to stop the daft penalties which reduced the crusaders chances of making easy yards and with 20 minutes to go the Saints attacking line started to look alot more organised.

At first I thought it was an error toplay an ill puletula, but his class shone through in the 2nd half and he gave us some good go forward and was hard to put down.

I thought Foster had another great game for us, his positional play seams to make it really difficult for teams to pass around him.

On the other hand after thinking Meli is much better at centre than wing, last night I had to reassess that. Meli was stood in the Wrexham line more than the Saints line, and whilst you may sometimes expect to see a winger over run their centre, I've never seen a centre over run their inside man as often or by such a long distance as Meli did last night.

On an alternative note, there seamed to be no MOM award last night. Anyone know who got MOM?

ROby and Wilkin where both interviewed but no mention of MOM. I personally thought that sckostophiere (sorry for spelling) caused no end of trouble for the Saints and would have been my pick.
Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#68 bewareshadows

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:54 PM

I forgot to mention in the post above given that we lost 3 players in that game we held up quite well. In fact the last 20 minutes we looked better with a novice playmaker and a 2nd rower than we did in the first 40 with 2 play makers.

I think Lomax may make a name for himself there, he won't have the hype of eastmond but he has some quality at half back.

Edited by bewareshadows, 22 August 2010 - 03:56 PM.

Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.




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