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#61 Methven Hornet

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Aug 20 2010, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And, indeed, the Stoop.

The problem with suddenly either creating a ground of 12,000 capacity or doubling the capacity of a non league ground and then re-doing that every two weeks is that firstly it isn't cheap (you can ask Bath RU about that), secondly given the nature of London you have to jump through planning hoops even for temporary structures and especially when you're suggesting a dozen occasions when a few thousands northerners are going to drive in and thirdly I'm not sure that there are a huge number of locations out there where it would be feasible to do it anyway.

Fair enough - we'll reconsider the concept when nano-technology has developed to the extent that construction/demolition of a stadium can occur in seconds.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:20 PM

A few years back I went to the Great Dorset Steam Fair.
There was a grandstand erected for the event at the showgoround, basically a "fold up" kit on a lorry trailer, otherwise you stood around the main showground.
The fair at the event also included a log-flume, again a fold up on lorry trailers.
These things can be hired quickly, erected quickly, cost?
You got me.
However, the ability to do it exists in spades.
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#63 Dean

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:26 PM

A log flume would be great!

#64 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:50 AM

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[1] Partially. And to Brentford stiffing us royally. We also didn't sign that many big names at all from overseas and picked up a number of players who nobody else wanted. We should have got more northerners that way too but I believe that it was easier to get lads to travel halfway round the world than it was to get them to move down the M1.

[2] They are losing massive amounts of money, there's no doubt. I don't know how it compares but the end result will be the same unless there's an injection of cash.

[3] I'd suggest that's because as the Broncos they were occasionally competitive. Something they've managed with overseas has-beens (your phrase) but never with Academy products or majority British sides. Harlequins RL have never made the play-offs in the current incarnation.


I remember that London were involved in at least one relegation battle at Brentford.

Also crowds at Brentford were never maximised due to the negatove Aussie influence of the likes of Chris Warren ranting and raving before and during the game. I could ##### hear him from half a mile away, so the residents must have hated him

Also they had the muppety policy of closing off half the ground despite some occasions when it was close to full in the other bits. This reduced the a game atmos and also gives the impression of a filing club for any newbies.

All in all they ahve always been a badly ran club underneath Hughes who I greatly admire. Perhaps he should have ran the club from top-to-bottom and kept his eye on the budget as soons as they started going into debt. The worst big money player was the Kiwi RU player who cost a bomb. That being said I loved to watch Dennis Moran and Richie Barnett in their pomp

Just think about all the people/fans which used to go and be seen on telly who don't go anymore.......

I remember the Welsh lads who went week in/out and stopped going overnight the day they moved to the Stoop. Have never seen Steve/Louise siwho were always on telly too

This thread is very good though and positive. Hope the club are reading because the Stoop will be the death knell for the club

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 07:33 PM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Aug 21 2010, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember the Welsh lads who went week in/out and stopped going overnight the day they moved to the Stoop. Have never seen Steve/Louise siwho were always on telly too


Hi Lobby, this is not Louise... wink.gif She says hello! It was good days on the Ealing Road terrace with you and the rest of your 'gang of lads' northern ex-pat group, the Welsh mob, Ian, Ernie, Charlie and the then young drunken London lushes, et al.

The last London (sic) game I went to was against Saints in 2007.

Have you been to a home game recently? Do you know if London's legendary fan, Cliffy, still goes?


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Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:44 PM

always thought the Croydon area would be ideal, close to South London amateur teams, could use Crystal Palace, only sports team in the area is Crystal Palace FC. There's a big population in Croydon, think its close to 200,000

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:56 AM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Aug 21 2010, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember that London were involved in at least one relegation battle at Brentford.

Also crowds at Brentford were never maximised due to the negatove Aussie influence of the likes of Chris Warren ranting and raving before and during the game. I could ##### hear him from half a mile away, so the residents must have hated him

Also they had the muppety policy of closing off half the ground despite some occasions when it was close to full in the other bits. This reduced the a game atmos and also gives the impression of a filing club for any newbies.

All in all they ahve always been a badly ran club underneath Hughes who I greatly admire. Perhaps he should have ran the club from top-to-bottom and kept his eye on the budget as soons as they started going into debt. The worst big money player was the Kiwi RU player who cost a bomb. That being said I loved to watch Dennis Moran and Richie Barnett in their pomp

Just think about all the people/fans which used to go and be seen on telly who don't go anymore.......

I remember the Welsh lads who went week in/out and stopped going overnight the day they moved to the Stoop. Have never seen Steve/Louise siwho were always on telly too

This thread is very good though and positive. Hope the club are reading because the Stoop will be the death knell for the club


you do realise that closing half thr ground saves an absolutey hat load of money compared to the added couple of people who want a full stadium?? that is why it is done, costs outweighing benefits.. unless you fill your ground you will always find a club struggling for cash shutting stands off its the prudent thing to do, opening it up costing you more for no return is idiotic.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 01:06 PM

No one has mentioned the other developments at the Olympic site. There will be a 16000 capacity hockey stadium built for which no use has been identified- it is listed as temporary with a plan to relocate within the Stratford area and downsize to 3000 capacity. But why not offer to take it over in situ- perfect transport links as it's inside the Olympic Park (9 minutes from StPancras/Kings Cross) no apparent alternative uses planned. Save the Olympic committe the relocation/downsizing costs and fulfil their 'legacy' commitment by providing a permanent home for RL in London.. Sounds too easy to me

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE (eminence @ Aug 21 2010, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Lobby, this is not Louise... wink.gif She says hello! It was good days on the Ealing Road terrace with you and the rest of your 'gang of lads' northern ex-pat group, the Welsh mob, Ian, Ernie, Charlie and the then young drunken London lushes, et al.

The last London (sic) game I went to was against Saints in 2007.

Have you been to a home game recently? Do you know if London's legendary fan, Cliffy, still goes?


Hiya! Good days indeed on the terrace - though the best days were in the Brook Road terrace on the two occasions that we convinced the club to open them up (both games, a draw against Leeds and victory over Wigan kept London in the SL that year)

I've been to about 40% of games this year, just to watch a live RL game. I'll be reducing that next year if they stay at the Stoop. I don't go to Skolars anywhere near as much either due to lack of cash/spare time/general annoyance at the lack of P&R to SL

Of that group who used to go, only me and Ian still go. I still see Cliffy occasionally

I think many fans of London RL are just biding their time until the club see sense and get the hell out of the Stoop, either that, or for Skolars to finally start being competitive and push for promotion.

See you at the next ground (unless its at Milton Keynes) then I'll be a regular again at Skolars, as will every other RL fan in London)


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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:20 PM

QUOTE (bromleybulldog @ Aug 23 2010, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No one has mentioned the other developments at the Olympic site. There will be a 16000 capacity hockey stadium built for which no use has been identified- it is listed as temporary with a plan to relocate within the Stratford area and downsize to 3000 capacity. But why not offer to take it over in situ- perfect transport links as it's inside the Olympic Park (9 minutes from StPancras/Kings Cross) no apparent alternative uses planned. Save the Olympic committe the relocation/downsizing costs and fulfil their 'legacy' commitment by providing a permanent home for RL in London.. Sounds too easy to me


Good Call. It's interesting that you mentioned this stadium. I was on my way back from London City airport to South London in a taxi a couple of months back and went via the Olympic area. I noticed what looked several big stadium developments before seeing the main stadium. I figured one might be the velodrome, but couldn't weigh up what the other was. Perhaps this is what you are referring to? This would be ideal. Also would the Velodrome itself be another option? (like Stade Velodrome in Marseille).

QUestion is - Is anyone from the RFL doing anything whatsoever regarding this? Every other sport seems to be sniffing after summat. Would be a crying shame if Union steamrollers in - we might as well kiss goodbye to London then (and survival)

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 02:59 AM

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3,331 was the average at the Valley 2000-2001
3,681 was the average at Griffin Park 2002-2005
3,625 is the current average at the Stoop 2005-2010

Moving or changing our name will change nothing.

According to the RFL, there are 1,000,000 people in the London area with an interest in RL. This is just one target audience. Then you have the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames (2001 poulation 175,000), the surrounding areas of Ealing, Hounslow, Feltham, Brentford.
Then there's the ANZACS, who although they have proved difficult to attract, did turn up in force in 2005 (v Leeds, Griffin Park, 6,500) when the club ran a VB promo in METRO. The RFL marketed the WCC warm up game in 2009 and got nearly 7,000 to a game....Quins did SFA with this data......no change there then.

The simple fact is that unless there is a substantial injection of cash to promote the game, then all the time and effort (as well as considerable funding) that has gone into development and community work will be for nothing.

Who, in their right mind would be happy to invest 10,000,000 over 10 years in a business that is currently losing 30k a week and doing nothing to stop the losses apart from letting staff go?

What Quins need is a total change of management, to bin the community/development work they have carried out on behalf of the RFL at no expense to the RFL and concentrate on turning a profit.
IMO that is.

#72 Chronicler of Chiswick

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:03 AM

Oh no, gutters has found his way onto here - and it used to be so nice in these parts sad.gif

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:13 AM

QUOTE (Chronicler of Chiswick @ Aug 24 2010, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh no, gutters has found his way onto here - and it used to be so nice in these parts sad.gif


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At least it`s another Quin on here fighting the good fight on behalf of the club. wink.gif

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE (bromleybulldog @ Aug 23 2010, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No one has mentioned the other developments at the Olympic site. There will be a 16000 capacity hockey stadium built for which no use has been identified- it is listed as temporary with a plan to relocate within the Stratford area and downsize to 3000 capacity. But why not offer to take it over in situ- perfect transport links as it's inside the Olympic Park (9 minutes from StPancras/Kings Cross) no apparent alternative uses planned. Save the Olympic committe the relocation/downsizing costs and fulfil their 'legacy' commitment by providing a permanent home for RL in London.. Sounds too easy to me


didnt know there was a hockey stadium being built there.. i would expect the pool, velodrome and main stadium but assumed they would use the natioanl hockey centre at milton keynes..

Not sure what the "legacy" idea is for the stadiums. they seem to be demanding that athletics is kept in the main stadium so you have to keep the track.. so whether there is a "hockey" legacy for the ground needed i dont know or whether a tennant would just be needed.

It would obviously need a pitch laying but it sounds like it would be a good size (maybe downsize a little to be perfect but no need ot worry too much on that score) and good communications.. certainly a possibility.


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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:20 AM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Aug 23 2010, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good Call. It's interesting that you mentioned this stadium. I was on my way back from London City airport to South London in a taxi a couple of months back and went via the Olympic area. I noticed what looked several big stadium developments before seeing the main stadium. I figured one might be the velodrome, but couldn't weigh up what the other was. Perhaps this is what you are referring to? This would be ideal. Also would the Velodrome itself be another option? (like Stade Velodrome in Marseille).

QUestion is - Is anyone from the RFL doing anything whatsoever regarding this? Every other sport seems to be sniffing after summat. Would be a crying shame if Union steamrollers in - we might as well kiss goodbye to London then (and survival)


not sure about modern velodromes.. they are indoors for a start.. i would think there would need to be quite a major builing project to turn it round, the seating is quite high up with the cornering etc so would need to add to that, and somehow work out how to get the pitch in and out cheaply.

More than that though i would expect with the distinct lack of velodromes in this country that part of the "legacy" would be to keep the velodrome a velodrome for our rising cycling enthusiatic country!

the hockey one sounds good though..

I would assume that whoever needs to sniff around is having a good look, its an opportunity that doesnt come along often to get a great ground with links etc.. BUT there seems to be a lot of politics around hte "legacy" idea and the cost etc so it may be that no matter how much you ask it is very difficult to get these grounds without a lot of caveats and clauses about usage etc.. you would hope that League fits nicely around these though unless it is wanted to keep a hockey legacy at which point the actual pitch would cause the most issues..



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Posted 24 August 2010 - 11:10 AM

QUOTE (RP London @ Aug 24 2010, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
not sure about modern velodromes.. they are indoors for a start.. i would think there would need to be quite a major builing project to turn it round, the seating is quite high up with the cornering etc so would need to add to that, and somehow work out how to get the pitch in and out cheaply.

More than that though i would expect with the distinct lack of velodromes in this country that part of the "legacy" would be to keep the velodrome a velodrome for our rising cycling enthusiatic country!

the hockey one sounds good though..

I would assume that whoever needs to sniff around is having a good look, its an opportunity that doesnt come along often to get a great ground with links etc.. BUT there seems to be a lot of politics around hte "legacy" idea and the cost etc so it may be that no matter how much you ask it is very difficult to get these grounds without a lot of caveats and clauses about usage etc.. you would hope that League fits nicely around these though unless it is wanted to keep a hockey legacy at which point the actual pitch would cause the most issues..

Hope it's a grass hockey pitch and not astroturf, sounds painful playing rugby league on astroturf ohmy.gif

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:16 PM

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Hope it's a grass hockey pitch and not astroturf, sounds painful playing rugby league on astroturf ohmy.gif


i would expect its a 3g one as they dont play hockey on grass anymore AFAIK.. but league has been played on 3g in russia etc..

but i did keep saying that if it was a hockey legacy etc then it wouldnt be so pratcical becuase of hte pitch

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:29 PM

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but i did keep saying that if it was a hockey legacy etc then it wouldnt be so pratcical becuase of hte pitch


Look, I hear what you're saying but I don't think you're considering the practicalites of the pitch.
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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:37 PM

Think the Hockey stadium is spoken for - it's being moved after the games closer to Hackney Marshes (don't ask me why, or how...) and will be run by the Lea Valley Park people.

It's earmarked - surprisingly, perhaps - to stay as a field hockey venue. It'll have a bigger capacity than the Milton Keynes national hockey stadium - so maybe Miton Keynes will be available for a long lease post-2012.

Edit - sorry, just re-read my stuff. The hockey stadium being built for 2012 is a temporary structure; post games there will still be a hockey centre in the Olympic park adjacent to Hackney Marshes but it will be scaled down and consist of a few thousand permanent seats with temporary seating planned in upto 15,000. So contrary to what I wrote above...the stadium won't actually be physically moved. rolleyes.gif which is a shame, cos I'd like to have seen that!

Edited by Stevo, 24 August 2010 - 12:42 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Aug 24 2010, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look, I hear what you're saying but I don't think you're considering the practicalites of the pitch.

i'm not really sure what the biggest issue would be if they wanted to keep the ground as a hockey pitch... there is something that is in the back of my mind that may mean it wont work but i just cant think what.. maybe someone could give it some time and have a think and help me out??




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