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#61 tonyXIII

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:28 AM

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We got over 24,000 people in that stadium for an SL game once. We used to average over 15,000 in that stadium. I don't think Odsal is the issue.


Absolutely. Fans don't say to themselves "I'm not going to watch the game today because the ground is ######." They say "I'm not going to watch the game today because the team are ######." Or something similar.

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#62 Lobbygobbler

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:39 AM

QUOTE (PC @ Aug 21 2010, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We got over 24,000 people in that stadium for an SL game once. We used to average over 15,000 in that stadium. I don't think Odsal is the issue.



We got over 30,000 people in Hilton Park for a game once. We used to average over 15,000 in that stadium. I didn't think Hilton Park was the issue, but actually in the modern day circa 2010+ it was not suitable

You cannot live in the past. Folk want atmosphere, facilities and they don't want to get wet. Bradford need to get a Saints style new ground because in theory they should be able to attract good gates again as a city club.

This will not happen at Odsal in the modern day, due to the accretion effect - big crowds generate bigger crowds due to atmosphere which may be the big factor for new fans. Some new fans just don't want to get wet. Three quaters of Odsal is not covered.

Time to move on

I just want the day when all clubs in the top two tiers are promotable and relegatable on the grounds of on-the-pitch because the other stuff is in place


#63 West Country Eagle

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:57 AM

If Bradford were at risk of losing their license, they'd just move to Valley Parade.

Whether Lobby likes it or not, the Bulls are here to stay - and Leigh are destined to forever be a 'Small town in Wigan'.

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#64 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (tonyXIII @ Aug 21 2010, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Absolutely. Fans don't say to themselves "I'm not going to watch the game today because the ground is ######."

no but first time vistors, who like o enjoy their leisure time in civilised surroundings might, and probably do.
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#65 Manx RL

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:21 AM

QUOTE (tonyXIII @ Aug 21 2010, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Absolutely. Fans don't say to themselves "I'm not going to watch the game today because the ground is ######." They say "I'm not going to watch the game today because the team are ######." Or something similar.



But away fans will and do just that.


###### ground = fewer away fans

Fewer away fans = less atmosphere

Less atmosphere = fewer fans

fewer fans = reduced income

reduced income = poorer team

poorer team = frustrated fans

frustrated fans = stay away fans

stay away fans = reduced income

reduced income = reduced expectation

reduced expectation = reduced ambition

reduced ambition= Baradford Bulls 2011 and into the future


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#66 JohnM

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:25 AM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Aug 21 2010, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want the day when all clubs in the top two tiers are promotable and relegatable on the grounds of on-the-pitch because the other stuff is in place



Your day has come, has it not, for that is now the case.

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 09:31 AM

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fewer fans = reduced income.



Any idea what the revenue effect will be of Bulls reduced crowds this season? 250,000? 125,000? if that were re figure, what effect would that have overall?


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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:49 AM

QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Aug 21 2010, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We got over 30,000 people in Hilton Park for a game once. We used to average over 15,000 in that stadium. I didn't think Hilton Park was the issue, but actually in the modern day circa 2010+ it was not suitable

You cannot live in the past. Folk want atmosphere, facilities and they don't want to get wet. Bradford need to get a Saints style new ground because in theory they should be able to attract good gates again as a city club.

This will not happen at Odsal in the modern day, due to the accretion effect - big crowds generate bigger crowds due to atmosphere which may be the big factor for new fans. Some new fans just don't want to get wet. Three quaters of Odsal is not covered.

Time to move on

I just want the day when all clubs in the top two tiers are promotable and relegatable on the grounds of on-the-pitch because the other stuff is in place

I'm talking in the SL era, are you? I'm not living in the past, and I appreciate that Odsal needs work, or the Bulls need a new stadium. However, Odsal is not as bad people like yourself make out. Hilton Park was a hovel of a stadium, Odsal is too big and too exposed. it has all the facilities needed for a modern stadium, but just doesn't look as good as the JJB and the KC.

As has been said, the Bulls have trying very hard to get a stadium. We've had funding and plans done, but the rug was pulled by a Bradford based company. We've tried the supermarket option, that didn't work. We don't have a sugar daddy and we don't have a council willing to build us a stadium. Are you really saying that the club and it's fans should be relegated from SL just because they have not had the same 'luck', for want of a better word, as Hull FC, Wigan and Wire?

VP is not an option. When we were there last our crowds dropped, despite sustained success on the pitch. Moving to VP will see the club die a slow death, just as doing nothing to Odsal will see the club die a slow death.




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