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#21 sheddings69

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:02 AM

QUOTE (Tony Mac @ Aug 26 2010, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
CH's words from the Roughyeds' official website which, for me, sums it up.

The club is 80 minutes away from appearing in a Grand Final with promotion as the ultimate prize. Yes, it’s tough going on the financial front, but isn’t that true of any company — sporting or otherwise — in this day and age?

Roughyeds are no different to other clubs in that regard. Well, yes, they are different to many —- they have always paid their debts and have never once been subjected to insolvency penalties. Now isn’t that something else over which the club can “blow its own trumpet”.


With the above in mind why are some people trying their best to be so despondent.

There are a lot of clubs in RL, RU and Football that would be more than happy to be in our situation.


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I think that people are simply trying their best to care about the club they love Tony. We are all delighted about many developments at the club this season, both on and off the field. However, there is no other club I can think of that has had the number of winding up petitions we have had over a very short space of time. Clearly this should give cause for serious concern rather than simply 'blowing trumpets'.



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Posted 26 August 2010 - 10:01 AM

Something will have to be done to avoid a club wind up for isnt there an agreement with BQ, regarding a "share ownership" on some kind of timescale?
How will the Whitebank stadium be adequately developed in the current criteria?
How can Rugby Oldham confidently invest in the ground redevelopment, Or the fan group for that matter when they are faced with the uncertainty of the future...re wind up proceedings and the total lack of a figure regarding the debt, to give some type of perspective or "reality check" if you like.
On the basis of this latest development it has rather blurred the benefits I saw to winning the playoffs to be brutally honest...but that is only my opinion of course, and I have ,sad to say, got altogether fed up of it all, the rugby is good the coach excellent, the fans best in RL but this club appears to be run like an accident waiting to happen.
But that is only my opinion shared in impotent frustration on this forum...for what its worth? If anything?

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 08:17 PM

QUOTE (Tony Mac @ Aug 26 2010, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
CH's words from the Roughyeds' official website which, for me, sums it up.

The club is 80 minutes away from appearing in a Grand Final with promotion as the ultimate prize. Yes, it’s tough going on the financial front, but isn’t that true of any company — sporting or otherwise — in this day and age?

Roughyeds are no different to other clubs in that regard. Well, yes, they are different to many —- they have always paid their debts and have never once been subjected to insolvency penalties. Now isn’t that something else over which the club can “blow its own trumpet”.


With the above in mind why are some people trying their best to be so despondent.

There are a lot of clubs in RL, RU and Football that would be more than happy to be in our situation.


Tony Mac
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tony i have to disagree with you on this since we reformed we have always kept to within our means i do hope you can and your board keep afloat as you r a great part of rfL history keep the faith yours in rugby offyergo

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 11:26 AM

Now this is a tax bill laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I think you can still leave the country CH

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Robthegardener. @ Aug 27 2010, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now this is a tax bill laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I think you can still leave the country CH

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:48 AM

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GUD SHOT ROBERTO LOL

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:55 AM

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shitinthehead a little brain cell in a thick pudding

That's pretty uneccesary, you have not even got the excuse of drink, have you Suzy...

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE (SINGE @ Aug 28 2010, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's pretty uneccesary, you have not even got the excuse of drink, have you Suzy...

well tell the jerk to stop coming on our site with his derogatory remarks about Hunslet then that's unnecessary also tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:45 AM



I have not been on the board for quite awhile and it does not seem to have changed much.

Plenty of petty remarks and name calling with the site seemingly split into two opposing views.

It got to the stage where you could not have a sensible discussion without being insulted and that is why I decided to play the Devil's Advocate under a different nom de plume.

People who know assume I got a bit mixed up but it was done on purpose to show the stupidity of it all and how we must look to other clubs with all this griping.

The situation is simple the teams both first team and reserves have had a fantastic season and the players and coaches deserve all the plaudits they get. The achievemebnt by the first team is a fantastic record to have been set by the club and the reserves in the play offs for the first time and lets hope that it cultimates into promotion to the Championship for the season 2011.

The other side of the coin is the club off the field and the problems that exist.

What will happen on the 8th September is at the moment an unknown factor and if it goes against us it will be a sorrry day once again for the club.

I have never believed since I was on the committee that a Limited company Public or Private is/was the right way to go for a club that had existed as a members club for over 100 years.

From day one when the club embarked on a Limited Company status we have had problems.

First the Bears but that has been and gone to the present club.

When it was first started in 1997 people who supported the club where hoping for a bright future but in the climate that ugby League as existed over the years since and the economic status it as been difficult for quite a lot of sports and clubs and some have gone by the wayside.

In regard to our club and my situation I have given my time, energy and money in supporting the club in any way I can.

I collected the lottery from the agents, I was the time keeper at away matches and helped on match days. and I was the clubs Welfare Officer.

At the end of the season 2009 I stopped everything with the exeption of being the clubs Welfare Officer due to an health problem and the fact I was waiting for an operation.

When the 2010 season started I continued to watch the matches and was still the clubs Welfare Officer up to the Workington Game at Sedgely Park. At that match I was goign through the gates were the stewards were as I normally did when becasue I was asked for my pass I had brought my 2009 time keeping pass to the game which was then out of date by mistake and not my Welfare Officer Pass which is not dated I was refused admission without my pass, by a person who is still working for the club, even though they knew I was part of the clubs staff, a fact that was stated on the clubs web site. I was therefore told I would not be admitted unless I paid to go in, which I did. To say I was annoyed was an understatement.

I was disgusted at the treatment I got so therefore I resigned that position, and informed the RFL of the situation and so once again became a supporter like others.

It meant for the first time in years I could choose which matches to go to without letting anyone down.

I have always supported the club and will always do so and I will always hold the belief that Oldham Rugby League Club is bigger than any one person.

Running a rugby club is two big for one person to do and that is something that I have said to ch on more than one occassion. It creates problems, the job is two big, it can lead to a lack of transparency.

I have not always agreed with the way the club is run and I have not always agreed with ch himself.

I once asked how much money did one need to become a director but the figure I was quoted was behond my means.

For 13 years as ch as said the club as struggled from one problem to another with finance and ground problems both of which have been well documented.

The present club as had five directors during that time. CH. SW. ML. SH. and BQ.all of whom have owned shares in varying quantities.

All have put money into the club and one as we know put a substantial amount of money into the club.

THe club as we know is owned and run by one person.

However, and this is where I disagree with the recent statement made by ch .

During the 13 years, and I apologise if I am wrong, all the shareholders havel left the day to day running of the club to one man who as been the chairman , apart from when BQ was on the board/cheif executive during this time.

THerfore for him to say when he took over the club again should have read when I aquired the majority/all off the shares again.

All clubs have debts and most pay them on time.

Those that dont for whatever reason are those that ultimately end up in these situations.

VAT is a tax collected for the government by organisations who have a turnover over a certain figure.The money is not belonging to an organisation, it is the governments , and therefore should not be spent. It is very much the same with PAYE which is taken from employees wages,it belongs to the government.

So who do you blame when situations like this arise, the company itself is ultimately responsible for the debt,not the shareholders as they are limited to the value of the shares.

THe management run the company on behalf of the shareholders and are answereable to them. At the moment we have one shareholder and one director who has been the management for the 13 years he has been in charge.

Having said that the HMRC are, in my opinion as an accountant,their own worst enemies. Why they allow organisations to run up such debts on one or anumber of occassions is asking for trouble. What they should do is put organisations on the annual accounting scheme were they have to pay an amount determined by HMRC on a monthly basis. The accounts is balanced each year and if overpaid you get it back if not you get a bill.



This stops debts piling up and eliminates the situation where HMRC do not have to wait on returns going in before they know what a firms debts are.

Before anyone says why dont I tell the HMRC, I have.

What the future of the club is we will have to wait,hope and see.

In my opinion what is needed is as follows.

For CH to take on board more investors and directors, to have more people involved in running the club with him, to be more transparent and open( as according to others that as always been a problem) and for the club to open up and embrace the Rugby Community in the town.

If that cant be done, for the good of the club would not it be better for CH to stand down after his 13 years and let some others, if they are there to take over.

When BQ came in we all thought it was the beginning of a new dawn. What went wrong?

Providing we get over the present problems the club cant go on as it is from one crisi to another.

As I said it is TOO BIG and TOO Much for ONE MAN to do.

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG POST BUT ITS WHAT WATCHING OLDHAM RUGBY FOR 62 YEARS DOES FOR YOU.

LONG LIVE THE ROUGHYEDS







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Posted 28 August 2010 - 01:28 PM

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That's pretty uneccesary, you have not even got the excuse of drink, have you Suzy...



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Posted 28 August 2010 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (matrob31 @ Aug 28 2010, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have not been on the board for quite awhile and it does not seem to have changed much.

Plenty of petty remarks and name calling with the site seemingly split into two opposing views.

It got to the stage where you could not have a sensible discussion without being insulted and that is why I decided to play the Devil's Advocate under a different nom de plume.

People who know assume I got a bit mixed up but it was done on purpose to show the stupidity of it all and how we must look to other clubs with all this griping.

The situation is simple the teams both first team and reserves have had a fantastic season and the players and coaches deserve all the plaudits they get. The achievemebnt by the first team is a fantastic record to have been set by the club and the reserves in the play offs for the first time and lets hope that it cultimates into promotion to the Championship for the season 2011.

The other side of the coin is the club off the field and the problems that exist.

What will happen on the 8th September is at the moment an unknown factor and if it goes against us it will be a sorrry day once again for the club.

I have never believed since I was on the committee that a Limited company Public or Private is/was the right way to go for a club that had existed as a members club for over 100 years.

From day one when the club embarked on a Limited Company status we have had problems.

First the Bears but that has been and gone to the present club.

When it was first started in 1997 people who supported the club where hoping for a bright future but in the climate that ugby League as existed over the years since and the economic status it as been difficult for quite a lot of sports and clubs and some have gone by the wayside.

In regard to our club and my situation I have given my time, energy and money in supporting the club in any way I can.

I collected the lottery from the agents, I was the time keeper at away matches and helped on match days. and I was the clubs Welfare Officer.

At the end of the season 2009 I stopped everything with the exeption of being the clubs Welfare Officer due to an health problem and the fact I was waiting for an operation.

When the 2010 season started I continued to watch the matches and was still the clubs Welfare Officer up to the Workington Game at Sedgely Park. At that match I was goign through the gates were the stewards were as I normally did when becasue I was asked for my pass I had brought my 2009 time keeping pass to the game which was then out of date by mistake and not my Welfare Officer Pass which is not dated I was refused admission without my pass, by a person who is still working for the club, even though they knew I was part of the clubs staff, a fact that was stated on the clubs web site. I was therefore told I would not be admitted unless I paid to go in, which I did. To say I was annoyed was an understatement.

I was disgusted at the treatment I got so therefore I resigned that position, and informed the RFL of the situation and so once again became a supporter like others.

It meant for the first time in years I could choose which matches to go to without letting anyone down.

I have always supported the club and will always do so and I will always hold the belief that Oldham Rugby League Club is bigger than any one person.

Running a rugby club is two big for one person to do and that is something that I have said to ch on more than one occassion. It creates problems, the job is two big, it can lead to a lack of transparency.

I have not always agreed with the way the club is run and I have not always agreed with ch himself.

I once asked how much money did one need to become a director but the figure I was quoted was behond my means.

For 13 years as ch as said the club as struggled from one problem to another with finance and ground problems both of which have been well documented.

The present club as had five directors during that time. CH. SW. ML. SH. and BQ.all of whom have owned shares in varying quantities.

All have put money into the club and one as we know put a substantial amount of money into the club.

THe club as we know is owned and run by one person.

However, and this is where I disagree with the recent statement made by ch .

During the 13 years, and I apologise if I am wrong, all the shareholders havel left the day to day running of the club to one man who as been the chairman , apart from when BQ was on the board/cheif executive during this time.

THerfore for him to say when he took over the club again should have read when I aquired the majority/all off the shares again.

All clubs have debts and most pay them on time.

Those that dont for whatever reason are those that ultimately end up in these situations.

VAT is a tax collected for the government by organisations who have a turnover over a certain figure.The money is not belonging to an organisation, it is the governments , and therefore should not be spent. It is very much the same with PAYE which is taken from employees wages,it belongs to the government.

So who do you blame when situations like this arise, the company itself is ultimately responsible for the debt,not the shareholders as they are limited to the value of the shares.

THe management run the company on behalf of the shareholders and are answereable to them. At the moment we have one shareholder and one director who has been the management for the 13 years he has been in charge.

Having said that the HMRC are, in my opinion as an accountant,their own worst enemies. Why they allow organisations to run up such debts on one or anumber of occassions is asking for trouble. What they should do is put organisations on the annual accounting scheme were they have to pay an amount determined by HMRC on a monthly basis. The accounts is balanced each year and if overpaid you get it back if not you get a bill.



This stops debts piling up and eliminates the situation where HMRC do not have to wait on returns going in before they know what a firms debts are.

Before anyone says why dont I tell the HMRC, I have.

What the future of the club is we will have to wait,hope and see.

In my opinion what is needed is as follows.

For CH to take on board more investors and directors, to have more people involved in running the club with him, to be more transparent and open( as according to others that as always been a problem) and for the club to open up and embrace the Rugby Community in the town.

If that cant be done, for the good of the club would not it be better for CH to stand down after his 13 years and let some others, if they are there to take over.

When BQ came in we all thought it was the beginning of a new dawn. What went wrong?

Providing we get over the present problems the club cant go on as it is from one crisi to another.

As I said it is TOO BIG and TOO Much for ONE MAN to do.

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG POST BUT ITS WHAT WATCHING OLDHAM RUGBY FOR 62 YEARS DOES FOR YOU.

LONG LIVE THE ROUGHYEDS


To many cooks spoil the broth,CH and SW are doing a splendid job.
I wouldnt like to go back to the Shedddings days where ''allegedly'' the gate receipts where divided into three pots:- players,club and directors.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 05:11 PM

solution....get wound up start again WITHOUT HAMILTON !!! Simples.....

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 05:49 PM

Good honest post matrob31, i like yourself have not posted for a long time, i have not been a supporter for as long as you i started watching 28 years ago at the age of 12. After watching ORLFC home and away for the last 22 years missing just three games in this period i made the decision at the start of the season that i wasn't going anymore. I know no one person is bigger than the club and it is the team you support but when one man can alienate people on a regular basis there is major problem. On the winding up order i did mention before the season started that there may well be one before the year was out, at the end of last season the club's debts where approx £180k, how much of this is owed to BQ i do not know seems upsetting two major sponsors who put in about 15k a season between them wasn't such a smart move CH.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (matrob31 @ Aug 28 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have not been on the board for quite awhile and it does not seem to have changed much.

Plenty of petty remarks and name calling with the site seemingly split into two opposing views.

It got to the stage where you could not have a sensible discussion without being insulted and that is why I decided to play the Devil's Advocate under a different nom de plume.

People who know assume I got a bit mixed up but it was done on purpose to show the stupidity of it all and how we must look to other clubs with all this griping.

The situation is simple the teams both first team and reserves have had a fantastic season and the players and coaches deserve all the plaudits they get. The achievemebnt by the first team is a fantastic record to have been set by the club and the reserves in the play offs for the first time and lets hope that it cultimates into promotion to the Championship for the season 2011.

The other side of the coin is the club off the field and the problems that exist.

What will happen on the 8th September is at the moment an unknown factor and if it goes against us it will be a sorrry day once again for the club.

I have never believed since I was on the committee that a Limited company Public or Private is/was the right way to go for a club that had existed as a members club for over 100 years.

From day one when the club embarked on a Limited Company status we have had problems.

First the Bears but that has been and gone to the present club.

When it was first started in 1997 people who supported the club where hoping for a bright future but in the climate that ugby League as existed over the years since and the economic status it as been difficult for quite a lot of sports and clubs and some have gone by the wayside.

In regard to our club and my situation I have given my time, energy and money in supporting the club in any way I can.

I collected the lottery from the agents, I was the time keeper at away matches and helped on match days. and I was the clubs Welfare Officer.

At the end of the season 2009 I stopped everything with the exeption of being the clubs Welfare Officer due to an health problem and the fact I was waiting for an operation.

When the 2010 season started I continued to watch the matches and was still the clubs Welfare Officer up to the Workington Game at Sedgely Park. At that match I was goign through the gates were the stewards were as I normally did when becasue I was asked for my pass I had brought my 2009 time keeping pass to the game which was then out of date by mistake and not my Welfare Officer Pass which is not dated I was refused admission without my pass, by a person who is still working for the club, even though they knew I was part of the clubs staff, a fact that was stated on the clubs web site. I was therefore told I would not be admitted unless I paid to go in, which I did. To say I was annoyed was an understatement.

I was disgusted at the treatment I got so therefore I resigned that position, and informed the RFL of the situation and so once again became a supporter like others.

It meant for the first time in years I could choose which matches to go to without letting anyone down.

I have always supported the club and will always do so and I will always hold the belief that Oldham Rugby League Club is bigger than any one person.

Running a rugby club is two big for one person to do and that is something that I have said to ch on more than one occassion. It creates problems, the job is two big, it can lead to a lack of transparency.

I have not always agreed with the way the club is run and I have not always agreed with ch himself.

I once asked how much money did one need to become a director but the figure I was quoted was behond my means.

For 13 years as ch as said the club as struggled from one problem to another with finance and ground problems both of which have been well documented.

The present club as had five directors during that time. CH. SW. ML. SH. and BQ.all of whom have owned shares in varying quantities.

All have put money into the club and one as we know put a substantial amount of money into the club.

THe club as we know is owned and run by one person.

However, and this is where I disagree with the recent statement made by ch .

During the 13 years, and I apologise if I am wrong, all the shareholders havel left the day to day running of the club to one man who as been the chairman , apart from when BQ was on the board/cheif executive during this time.

THerfore for him to say when he took over the club again should have read when I aquired the majority/all off the shares again.

All clubs have debts and most pay them on time.

Those that dont for whatever reason are those that ultimately end up in these situations.

VAT is a tax collected for the government by organisations who have a turnover over a certain figure.The money is not belonging to an organisation, it is the governments , and therefore should not be spent. It is very much the same with PAYE which is taken from employees wages,it belongs to the government.

So who do you blame when situations like this arise, the company itself is ultimately responsible for the debt,not the shareholders as they are limited to the value of the shares.

THe management run the company on behalf of the shareholders and are answereable to them. At the moment we have one shareholder and one director who has been the management for the 13 years he has been in charge.

Having said that the HMRC are, in my opinion as an accountant,their own worst enemies. Why they allow organisations to run up such debts on one or anumber of occassions is asking for trouble. What they should do is put organisations on the annual accounting scheme were they have to pay an amount determined by HMRC on a monthly basis. The accounts is balanced each year and if overpaid you get it back if not you get a bill.



This stops debts piling up and eliminates the situation where HMRC do not have to wait on returns going in before they know what a firms debts are.

Before anyone says why dont I tell the HMRC, I have.

What the future of the club is we will have to wait,hope and see.

In my opinion what is needed is as follows.

For CH to take on board more investors and directors, to have more people involved in running the club with him, to be more transparent and open( as according to others that as always been a problem) and for the club to open up and embrace the Rugby Community in the town.

If that cant be done, for the good of the club would not it be better for CH to stand down after his 13 years and let some others, if they are there to take over.

When BQ came in we all thought it was the beginning of a new dawn. What went wrong?

Providing we get over the present problems the club cant go on as it is from one crisi to another.

As I said it is TOO BIG and TOO Much for ONE MAN to do.

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG POST BUT ITS WHAT WATCHING OLDHAM RUGBY FOR 62 YEARS DOES FOR YOU.

LONG LIVE THE ROUGHYEDS

Good post matrob,

the truth is people are loyal to people and fans dont want to rock the boat while things are going well, which lets face it it has been going well on the field, with us reaching the grand final for the last 3 yrs and a possible 4th this year, and also now we have our own ground things SHOULD be looking up for us. but there is always this threat of a winding up order hanging over us, one day surely the HMRC will get sick of taking us to court for NONE PAYMENTS of TAX. like RTG said in a post we dont want to go back to the sheddings days of ALLEGEDLY payment going into other peoples pockets.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (SINGE @ Aug 28 2010, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's pretty uneccesary, you have not even got the excuse of drink, have you Suzy...

nowt wrong with a drink mate honest i love a gallon a day a gallon a knight and on a drip when asleep

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 01:55 PM

I just hope that the helpful and upbeat Oldham Councillor who helped ORLFC immensely in the Whitebank Stadium negotiations, and talked it up in the Local Press (Chron) was in an "Informed " position re the full size and scope....and implications of the latest HMRC pending crisis not 12 months down the line?

Not a bridge any ORLFC fan with an eye on a good future for the Club would really want to burn I would say!

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Robthegardener. @ Aug 28 2010, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To many cooks spoil the broth,CH and SW are doing a splendid job.
I wouldnt like to go back to the Shedddings days where ''allegedly'' the gate receipts where divided into three pots:- players,club and directors.

I don;t know matrob, and I am sure he cares passionately, but I cannot help be reminded the Sir Alex Ignossis quote " a camel is a horse designed by a commiittee!"
Sorry Mat, not a dig at you per se.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE (cluedo @ Aug 28 2010, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good honest post matrob31, i like yourself have not posted for a long time, i have not been a supporter for as long as you i started watching 28 years ago at the age of 12. After watching ORLFC home and away for the last 22 years missing just three games in this period i made the decision at the start of the season that i wasn't going anymore. I know no one person is bigger than the club and it is the team you support but when one man can alienate people on a regular basis there is major problem. On the winding up order i did mention before the season started that there may well be one before the year was out, at the end of last season the club's debts where approx £180k, how much of this is owed to BQ i do not know seems upsetting two major sponsors who put in about 15k a season between them wasn't such a smart move CH.


But chose to return to posting at the first sign of trouble eh!

Until something better comes along, this life will have to do

#39 Robthegardener.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

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But chose to return to posting at the first sign of trouble eh!


Top marks Sleeper thats other Alter ego rumbled laugh.gif

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:32 PM

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But chose to return to posting at the first sign of trouble eh!

It must be a full moon! it sounds like somebody didnt like paying though.




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