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[diehard 1]

if people cant put anything positive on, or constructive, please dont put on, this is a site for opinions{wrong or right ones}.

[stevene]

if people cant put anything positive on, or constructive, please dont put on, this is a site for opinions{wrong or right ones}.

completely agree. Don't necessarily agree with Matrob's views on the committee but a lot of what he says is valid.

However others seem to think why bother putting their different, but possiblt equally valid opinion, when you can make some witty (I use the term witty quite loosely) one liner to divert attention from some valid points raised.

I did find it quite amusing that one poster mentioned about the timing of Matrobs post and then a subsequent poster, who only ever seems to appear when a "hear no evil, see no evil" reply is required, suddenly then adds their equally "witty" remark shortly afterwards.

Matrob I simply don't buy what I think is an old fashioned notion of needing to 'buy' a seat on the board. Surely a limited number of board appointments should be done on what an individual can add in terms of skills to the existing board. However these appointments should not be paid and maybe these should be on a non exec basis? That way their can be no accusations of these people just taking money out of the club and prove they are purely using their skills to aid the club. In addition surely this would give true corporate governance (as required of a limited company in the companies act). Just an idea, but hey cue the 'witty' remarks.

[Oldhamfan1]

Top marks Sleeper thats other Alter ego rumbled

Rob

Which alter ego is that then ?

If you think Matrob31 and Cleudo are the same you are way off the mark.

[diehard 1]

completely agree. Don't necessarily agree with Matrob's views on the committee but a lot of what he says is valid.

However others seem to think why bother putting their different, but possiblt equally valid opinion, when you can make some witty (I use the term witty quite loosely) one liner to divert attention from some valid points raised.

I did find it quite amusing that one poster mentioned about the timing of Matrobs post and then a subsequent poster, who only ever seems to appear when a "hear no evil, see no evil" reply is required, suddenly then adds their equally "witty" remark shortly afterwards.

Matrob I simply don't buy what I think is an old fashioned notion of needing to 'buy' a seat on the board. Surely a limited number of board appointments should be done on what an individual can add in terms of skills to the existing board. However these appointments should not be paid and maybe these should be on a non exec basis? That way their can be no accusations of these people just taking money out of the club and prove they are purely using their skills to aid the club. In addition surely this would give true corporate governance (as required of a limited company in the companies act). Just an idea, but hey cue the 'witty' remarks.

Perfect, a nice and sensible reply, and lets have a sensible debate, or opinions.

[Roughyedz]

To many cooks spoil the broth,CH and SW are doing a splendid job.
I wouldnt like to go back to the Shedddings days where ''allegedly'' the gate receipts where divided into three pots:- players,club and directors.

Seems that you and the Tax Man ( or many posters on here come to think of it ) do not agree on CH doing a GOOD JOB .... does it Rob ??? I wonder if Oldham do not get wound up this time around how much INTEREST will be added to the total this YEAR ????? The HOLE just seems to get DEEPER and DEEPER from what i can see !!!!!

Didnt see you at the Skolars on Friday by the way ROB .......?????

[Robthegardener.]

Seems that you and the Tax Man ( or many posters on here come to think of it ) do not agree on CH doing a GOOD JOB .... does it Rob ??? I wonder if Oldham do not get wound up this time around how much INTEREST will be added to the total this YEAR ????? The HOLE just seems to get DEEPER and DEEPER from what i can see !!!!!

Didnt see you at the Skolars on Friday by the way ROB .......?????

Blah blah blah

[Roughyedz]

Blah blah blah

very inteligent that is .............. can you please translate it into English ..... ????

[Robthegardener.]

I have not been on the board for quite awhile and it does not seem to have changed much.

Plenty of petty remarks and name calling with the site seemingly split into two opposing views.

It got to the stage where you could not have a sensible discussion without being insulted and that is why I decided to play the Devil's Advocate under a different nom de plume.

People who know assume I got a bit mixed up but it was done on purpose to show the stupidity of it all and how we must look to other clubs with all this griping.

The situation is simple the teams both first team and reserves have had a fantastic season and the players and coaches deserve all the plaudits they get. The achievemebnt by the first team is a fantastic record to have been set by the club and the reserves in the play offs for the first time and lets hope that it cultimates into promotion to the Championship for the season 2011.

The other side of the coin is the club off the field and the problems that exist.

What will happen on the 8th September is at the moment an unknown factor and if it goes against us it will be a sorrry day once again for the club.

I have never believed since I was on the committee that a Limited company Public or Private is/was the right way to go for a club that had existed as a members club for over 100 years.

From day one when the club embarked on a Limited Company status we have had problems.

First the Bears but that has been and gone to the present club.

When it was first started in 1997 people who supported the club where hoping for a bright future but in the climate that ugby League as existed over the years since and the economic status it as been difficult for quite a lot of sports and clubs and some have gone by the wayside.

In regard to our club and my situation I have given my time, energy and money in supporting the club in any way I can.

I collected the lottery from the agents, I was the time keeper at away matches and helped on match days. and I was the clubs Welfare Officer.

At the end of the season 2009 I stopped everything with the exeption of being the clubs Welfare Officer due to an health problem and the fact I was waiting for an operation.

When the 2010 season started I continued to watch the matches and was still the clubs Welfare Officer up to the Workington Game at Sedgely Park. At that match I was goign through the gates were the stewards were as I normally did when becasue I was asked for my pass I had brought my 2009 time keeping pass to the game which was then out of date by mistake and not my Welfare Officer Pass which is not dated I was refused admission without my pass, by a person who is still working for the club, even though they knew I was part of the clubs staff, a fact that was stated on the clubs web site. I was therefore told I would not be admitted unless I paid to go in, which I did. To say I was annoyed was an understatement.

I was disgusted at the treatment I got so therefore I resigned that position, and informed the RFL of the situation and so once again became a supporter like others.

It meant for the first time in years I could choose which matches to go to without letting anyone down.

I have always supported the club and will always do so and I will always hold the belief that Oldham Rugby League Club is bigger than any one person.

Running a rugby club is two big for one person to do and that is something that I have said to ch on more than one occassion. It creates problems, the job is two big, it can lead to a lack of transparency.

I have not always agreed with the way the club is run and I have not always agreed with ch himself.

I once asked how much money did one need to become a director but the figure I was quoted was behond my means.

For 13 years as ch as said the club as struggled from one problem to another with finance and ground problems both of which have been well documented.

The present club as had five directors during that time. CH. SW. ML. SH. and BQ.all of whom have owned shares in varying quantities.

All have put money into the club and one as we know put a substantial amount of money into the club.

THe club as we know is owned and run by one person.

However, and this is where I disagree with the recent statement made by ch .

During the 13 years, and I apologise if I am wrong, all the shareholders havel left the day to day running of the club to one man who as been the chairman , apart from when BQ was on the board/cheif executive during this time.

THerfore for him to say when he took over the club again should have read when I aquired the majority/all off the shares again.

All clubs have debts and most pay them on time.

Those that dont for whatever reason are those that ultimately end up in these situations.

VAT is a tax collected for the government by organisations who have a turnover over a certain figure.The money is not belonging to an organisation, it is the governments , and therefore should not be spent. It is very much the same with PAYE which is taken from employees wages,it belongs to the government.

So who do you blame when situations like this arise, the company itself is ultimately responsible for the debt,not the shareholders as they are limited to the value of the shares.

THe management run the company on behalf of the shareholders and are answereable to them. At the moment we have one shareholder and one director who has been the management for the 13 years he has been in charge.

Having said that the HMRC are, in my opinion as an accountant,their own worst enemies. Why they allow organisations to run up such debts on one or anumber of occassions is asking for trouble. What they should do is put organisations on the annual accounting scheme were they have to pay an amount determined by HMRC on a monthly basis. The accounts is balanced each year and if overpaid you get it back if not you get a bill.



This stops debts piling up and eliminates the situation where HMRC do not have to wait on returns going in before they know what a firms debts are.

Before anyone says why dont I tell the HMRC, I have.

What the future of the club is we will have to wait,hope and see.

In my opinion what is needed is as follows.

For CH to take on board more investors and directors, to have more people involved in running the club with him, to be more transparent and open( as according to others that as always been a problem) and for the club to open up and embrace the Rugby Community in the town.

If that cant be done, for the good of the club would not it be better for CH to stand down after his 13 years and let some others, if they are there to take over.

When BQ came in we all thought it was the beginning of a new dawn. What went wrong?

Providing we get over the present problems the club cant go on as it is from one crisi to another.

As I said it is TOO BIG and TOO Much for ONE MAN to do.

I KNOW THIS IS A LONG POST BUT ITS WHAT WATCHING OLDHAM RUGBY FOR 62 YEARS DOES FOR YOU.

LONG LIVE THE ROUGHYEDS

Relecting on your post again fella.
If only there were people who wanted to put money in and do some of the work.

[stevene]

Relecting on your post again fella.
If only there were people who wanted to put money in and do some of the work.

why do the two always have to go hand in hand? maybe there are those who will be willing to put money but not the hard work (because of other commitments?)? equally there maybe those who can put in hard work (in whatever their specialist field is) without reward (other than to serve their club) if it benefits the club?

it will be difficult for the club to attract major investment in the short term (for lots of real and perceived reasons) so the club has simply got to minimise costs whilst maximising revenue. that cannot be achieved purely by the clubs staff and directors and we cannot (while minimising cost) spend more to promote the club.

it would be interesting to see what the clubs cashflow has been since it settled into whitebank. profits can be manipulated, cash (in the medium term) cannot. therefore has the move improved cashflow and therefore does the business seem more sustainable? whilst this debt may relate to "thirteen years of losses" (whatever that actually means, as an accountant reading anothers words it seems like waffle to me) has the club, since its move, created a more sustainable business model?

[hoss118]

as a widnes fan i know how it feels to be going through this having nearly lost our club on several times . even with the hard work of fans and collections and events its still very hard . i hope the rugby league sees sense and puts the money in /helps your club out after all it seems happy to spend cash on wastefull projects . when they should be helping teams like yourselves. i hope you come through this and grow as a club again hopefully get a local backer with good buisness sense to make you stronger . good luck paul

[dish]

hopefully a full house against york will help, shared gates or not.

[Roughyedz]

Relecting on your post again fella.
If only there were people who wanted to put money in and do some of the work.

There have been a few ...and i do mean FEW ..... who have wanted to put money in ....... but have been rebuffed ........ as ITS SEEMS that someone does not want to give up even the smallest part of any control or POWER over the CLUB ........ or thats how it looks to us mere mortals on here ...... MAYBE YOU KNOW DIFFERENT ????

Ultimately all I want to see is Oldham Rugby League Football Club win every game that it enters onto the field to compete in ... including over the last 42 years the Rugby League Challenge Cup ... but that is a million miles away now .... but this continueous struggeling from one crisis to another OFF the field does no good for anyone, especially those that have the GOOD at heart for OLDHAM RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL CLUB ....it does not matter 2 hoots who is in charge , as long as its done with the sole aim of getting Oldham back to the top ,,,,,where they were 50 yers ago ...... lol .... I WISH , but it seems you know who is more interestd in personal power and glory ...... If I am wrong in my presumptions I stand to be corrected but this is the impression that I get from what has happened over the last 13 years

[Robthegardener.]

There have been a few ...and i do mean FEW ..... who have wanted to put money in ....... but have been rebuffed ........ as ITS SEEMS that someone does not want to give up even the smallest part of any control or POWER over the CLUB ........ or thats how it looks to us mere mortals on here ...... MAYBE YOU KNOW DIFFERENT ????

Ultimately all I want to see is Oldham Rugby League Football Club win every game that it enters onto the field to compete in ... including over the last 42 years the Rugby League Challenge Cup ... but that is a million miles away now .... but this continueous struggeling from one crisis to another OFF the field does no good for anyone, especially those that have the GOOD at heart for OLDHAM RUGBY LEAGUE FOOTBALL CLUB ....it does not matter 2 hoots who is in charge , as long as its done with the sole aim of getting Oldham back to the top ,,,,,where they were 50 yers ago ...... lol .... I WISH , but it seems you know who is more interestd in personal power and glory ...... If I am wrong in my presumptions I stand to be corrected but this is the impression that I get from what has happened over the last 13 years

Congrats to your caps roughyedzs ,ROCKSINTHEHEAD you must try harder darling.
I havent any inside knowledge of the ORLFC day to day running.
I put as money into the club as I can afford,help out at Whitebank as much as I can on a voluntary basis.
I love my club and what its trying to achieve,its an uphill battle to the big lights but we will get there,trust me Im a gardener
Im looking forward to the players presentation on Saturday night to thank them for their efforts so far this season.

[Robthegardener.]

Ive had a very rewarding day again down at Whitebank today with Foggy and Jag.There's plenty to do if you are well and able.
Roughedz if you can drag yourself and Stevo down there you will be made very welcome.
If the Stevo you meant was our forum admin forget it

[Roughyedz]

Ive had a very rewarding day again down at Whitebank today with Foggy and Jag.There's plenty to do if you are well and able.
Roughedz if you can drag yourself and Stevo down there you will be made very welcome.
If the Stevo you meant was our forum admin forget it

Who is Stevo the forum adim when he's at home ??? and you said you werent in the know ??? ....whats the problem with CAPS ..... are you CAPIST ????? ....... Stevo ....you have watched Super league on the TV in your time avnt you ..... Mike Stevenson ..... used to play for Dewsbury ....along with his mate Nigel at out half ..... you must have read about him ..... I doubt very much he would come down to the Whitebank to help out

[sheddings69]

Ive had a very rewarding day again down at Whitebank today with Foggy and Jag.There's plenty to do if you are well and able.
Roughedz if you can drag yourself and Stevo down there you will be made very welcome.
If the Stevo you meant was our forum admin forget it

Well done Rob - unfortunately most well and able people have to work for a living. For me that means 7 days a week running my own business. Again, there are some of us that can't commit to the physical graft even if we are well and able. Glad you chaps are able to but please don't look down on those that can't.

[Robthegardener.]

Well done Rob - unfortunately most well and able people have to work for a living. For me that means 7 days a week running my own business. Again, there are some of us that can't commit to the physical graft even if we are well and able. Glad you chaps are able to but please don't look down on those that can't.

Oh you do take life serious sheddings69
My comments were to wind Roughyedz really as she has taken quite a shine to me.
Dont you think

[diehard 1]

Well done Rob - unfortunately most well and able people have to work for a living. For me that means 7 days a week running my own business. Again, there are some of us that can't commit to the physical graft even if we are well and able. Glad you chaps are able to but please don't look down on those that can't.

Unfortunatly sheddings69, this is what some people will do now, who have helped out at the ground, throw it back in the fans faces that they havent help or done anything, but at the end of the day all fans have help the club by going threw the turnstyles or buying merchandice over the many years that fans have been going.

[OldhamGal]

There's always been a "them and us" mentality amongst our fans.

If there is an element of "throwing it in people faces", the work done at the ground is simply replacing the "we put more money in than you" mantra

[diehard 1]

Your right OG, when we should all be pushing in the right direction, that is from the TOP down through the club to the fans. if someone has a opinion, put it in a way that doesnt upset anybody.