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#61 Northern Sol

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (The Future is League @ Aug 29 2010, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if your in the camp that thinks the sky will pay as much for Rugby League without a super league club in London your wrong. less money from sky means less money going to Super League clubs. if you don't believe there is nothing i can do about it, but i am right.


I think you may be forced to face your delusions rather soon.

Bronquins are of such a low profile that they couldn't find a backer after three years of Lenaghan trying. Now I'm willing to believe that Sky wanted Bronquins in back in the mid and late 90s but they clearly don't give a **** about them now.

It is ludicrous to argue that it is self-evident that Sky value RL as being worth millions more with Bronquins in but have no explanation as to why Sky have never shown any interest in bailing Bronquins out of their various crises.

#62 Northern Sol

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (The Future is League @ Aug 29 2010, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if your in the camp that thinks the sky will pay as much for Rugby League without a super league club in London your wrong. less money from sky means less money going to Super League clubs. if you don't believe there is nothing i can do about it, but i am right.


It is no much of an argument. There is no logical reason why Sky should want Bronquins in, they don't do anything for Sky Sport's profile or for rugby league's profile.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:13 PM

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We should be honest and admit there's no proof a club with few fans in London makes an iota of difference to the SL contract. Also it's a myth that a lot of fans want no expansion of the sport. Fans would love a thriving London SL club, what noone but the truly crazy want is the RFL bankrupting themselves by bailing out an unviable club with few fans to the tune of 1.5million a year (and it would grow by a lot if they knew they could claim the money back from the RFL) when that money could go to much better use

look if your happy for Quins RL to go to the wall thats up to you. all i'm pointing out to you is that with no Super League club in London the money from sky will be less.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:21 PM

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Playing and watching sport is two different things surely?

I've watched RL avidly all my life but hardly played it compared to soccer. Lads in our junior soccer club on the whole don't watch Leeds United and it's just down the road?

Take your point on the development officers though, how much they get the kids playing against Quins is something to consider.....

As a teen, I watched when I could, and really wanted to pull the primrose and blue on.
As I played, it was obvious I wasn't that good, but I then wondered, before my knee went, if maybe second tier second team could be my level, but I didn't get to go ask for a trial anyway on a whim, my doc said retire (at 19!!!, didn't last but I'd lost too much fitnes/edge by the time I played again)

I guess being from Warrington, or Wazza for the Sport readers on here, it's more ingrained, if you love the game it's want you want to do.
London is a whole bigger ball-park, and with real access to venue issues.
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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE (Northern Sol @ Aug 29 2010, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you may be forced to face your delusions rather soon.

Bronquins are of such a low profile that they couldn't find a backer after three years of Lenaghan trying. Now I'm willing to believe that Sky wanted Bronquins in back in the mid and late 90s but they clearly don't give a **** about them now.

It is ludicrous to argue that it is self-evident that Sky value RL as being worth millions more with Bronquins in but have no explanation as to why Sky have never shown any interest in bailing Bronquins out of their various crises.

come the next TV contract without a Super League club in London i will be proven right. all i'm doing is pointing out to you what the RFL know and are aware of. i'm not saying the RFL should prop up the Quins i'm telling you what will happen if they don't. the RFL are stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE (The Future is League @ Aug 29 2010, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
look if your happy for Quins RL to go to the wall thats up to you. all i'm pointing out to you is that with no Super League club in London the money from sky will be less.


And all we are pointing out that is that there is no reason to presume this. None at all.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:28 PM

Easy solution to all to all this 'Sky won't pay up without Quins/London side' is to call their bluff/the RFL's bluff.

When RU went professional down here and they went to regional rugby Lllanelli needed 'bailing out' by the WRU. Cardiff and Newport have also needed the same. In each case the WRU stumped up the cash. For the Celtic Warriors (under Mr Samuel dry.gif ) when they need the money the WRU left them high and dry leaving top level rugby to disappear from the Mid-Glamorgan Valleys.

Now to be fair the support has drifted principally to Ospreys and in the more easterly valleys to the Blues, but Quins don't have the geographical competition. You'll see kids in London (if they are still bothered) supporting Warrington/Saints/Wigan etc etc which will do nothing for developing RL as they will always aspire to 'Go North' just as Welsh RU players did in shamateur days. Unless they transfer allegiance to Skolars/Hemel - but that would never happen in the 21st Century world where kids will always support the best E.g Chelsea/Man U in the Premier League

Whatever happens the Quins need the support of everyone in the game.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:30 PM

Double Post.

Edited by Pen-Y-Bont Crusader, 29 August 2010 - 07:30 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (Northern Sol @ Aug 29 2010, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And all we are pointing out that is that there is no reason to presume this. None at all.

the next sky deal without a London Super League club will be less than the clubs are getting now. i hate to say to anybody i told you so, but a Quinsless Super League = less sky money.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 07:38 PM

Perhaps one view of it would be that if the London viewing of RL on SKY is large, say 10-15% of the total then perhaps that percentage of SKY revenue should go to Quins. That would transform their finances and maybe persuade Mr Hughes to stay if he doesn't have to dig in his pocket every year.
The remaining % of the SKY money could then be shared out between the other 13 clubs on an equal basis.
If the SKY money from the London area is disproportionally high then surely there's a case that Quins should benefit from the viewers "they" bring to the game?
Plenty arguments against but it would solve Quins financial problems overnight!

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Father Ted @ Aug 29 2010, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps one view of it would be that if the London viewing of RL on SKY is large, say 10-15% of the total then perhaps that percentage of SKY revenue should go to Quins.


The issue being that people who live in London aren't necessarily Quins fans, quite a few Northerners live in London.

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That would transform their finances and maybe persuade Mr Hughes to stay if he doesn't have to dig in his pocket every year.
The remaining % of the SKY money could then be shared out between the other 13 clubs on an equal basis.
If the SKY money from the London area is disproportionally high then surely there's a case that Quins should benefit from the viewers "they" bring to the game?
Plenty arguments against but it would solve Quins financial problems overnight!


And create lots of others, before you know it Leeds will be asking why they only get the same money as Wakefield.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 08:40 PM

QUOTE (The Future is League @ Aug 29 2010, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the next sky deal without a London Super League club will be less than the clubs are getting now. i hate to say to anybody i told you so, but a Quinsless Super League = less sky money.


Time will tell but the reality is that Sky are the only bidder for SL and they pay pretty much what they feel like paying. And that's just about enough to keep the game full time (since this is the product they want). I don't for a minute believe that they pay a "London premium" so they can televise an empty stadia in Twickenham. Perhaps they would if Quins were a well-supported team but they aren't and almost certainly never will be.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (The Future is League @ Aug 29 2010, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the next sky deal without a London Super League club will be less than the clubs are getting now. i hate to say to anybody i told you so, but a Quinsless Super League = less sky money.


But if Toulouse join SL?

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 09:30 PM

QUOTE (The Future is League @ Aug 29 2010, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the next sky deal without a London Super League club will be less than the clubs are getting now. i hate to say to anybody i told you so, but a Quinsless Super League = less sky money.


Sky pay what they feel the game needs. I doubt they care if there is a team in London or not.
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Posted 29 August 2010 - 09:37 PM

id be interested to know what the RFL are doing to attract investors in a london RL team.. are they actively looking for investment or merely waiting for it to fall from the sky or knock on the front door??.. from looking at other sports there appear to be a great deal of rich people eager to involve themselves in pro sports teams.. Russian oilgarch's, uber rich arab families, Asian businessmen with endless bank accounts.. i would have thought with a bit of investment (not a great amount) a London RL team could become absolutely huge.. bigger then any club currently playing the game.. the potential here is massive. but it does need someone whose prepared to not only put in some investment to make the team a good and winning one, but someone whose also prepared and able to create a sustained marketing and PR campaign to make the masses in London aware and interested in watching and supporting this team. its been done in football with arsenal and chelsea, two teams who through the success of the premie rleague and the major investment in the clubs, have attracted fans to their games on a regular basis who 15 years ago would never have set foot in a football ground for love nor money. nor who would have watched a game of football on TV..

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE (paley @ Aug 29 2010, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sky pay what they feel the game needs. I doubt they care if there is a team in London or not.

Well someone did in the beginning, and a team in Paris.
It really is up to the powers that be, who-ever REALLY pulls the strings what happens next.
Makes no odds what we say here, "they" won't read this and say "goldcard's right, we should change names and move to Luton as London Hatters" or anything.
And from what I read into the BBC report, it IS a question of how deep the RFL's pockets are now.


I really should stop trying to type so quickly, I'm a van driver ffs..../edit.

Edited by goldcard, 29 August 2010 - 09:46 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 09:50 PM

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Well someone did in the beginning, and a team in Paris.


Yes but back then Sky wanted to make rugby league into a national / European sport and had good reason to be optimistic about London RL and PSG. Nowadays even Quins fans accept that their team are always likely to struggle.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (Northern Sol @ Aug 29 2010, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes but back then Sky wanted to make rugby league into a national / European sport and had good reason to be optimistic about London RL and PSG. Nowadays even Quins fans accept that their team are always likely to struggle.

So did Richard Branson, when Virgin sponsored Broncos and led them out at Wembley, where's he now?
It really is, so what happens now? time.
As a Wires fan, I'm really worried this is it for top flight London rugby.
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Posted 30 August 2010 - 07:12 AM

QUOTE (paley @ Aug 29 2010, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sky pay what they feel the game needs. I doubt they care if there is a team in London or not.


put this reply in your files and keep it there until the next deal with sky is agreed.

i say, The next TV deal with sky will not be a penny more if there is no Super League club in London.
i hope i am wrong, and if i am i will apologize but i won't be.