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What should the referee have done?


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Poll: What should he have done? (76 member(s) have cast votes)

Pick three - One for Radford, one for Bailey, and one for the penalty.

  1. Radford red (30 votes [14.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.02%

  2. Radford yellow (44 votes [20.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.56%

  3. Radford nothing (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Bailey red (17 votes [7.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.94%

  5. Bailey yellow (53 votes [24.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.77%

  6. Bailey nothing (5 votes [2.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.34%

  7. Penalty - Hull (32 votes [14.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.95%

  8. Penalty - Leeds (33 votes [15.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.42%

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#21 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:17 AM

Let's get some numbers on this shall we. We don't need to discuss the incident here as there are enough threads on it (although you can if you want), but thought it would be good to see some statistics.

So, was the red card harsh for Radford or just? Was Bailey innocent?
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#22 MrFussy

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:17 AM

Thanks mate smile.gif been meaning to start posting on here for a while

As for the cup final Bailey spent his entire time on the field having cheap digs at Warrington players, after stickng his head into Ryan Atkins face Jonathon Davies said something along the lines of "Ryan Bailey wants to try making some yardage instead of joking about sticking his head in", that pretty much sums Bailey's game up. He also said "live by the sword die by the sword Ryan Bailey" after he complained to the referee that Ben Westwood had elbowed him in a tackle. Kind of ironic after what he did yesterday...

#23 Dave T

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:20 AM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Sep 5 2010, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And this seven days after his doings on Chris Riley at Wembley in the last minute of the game. (Although there may have been more in that match I've forgotten about.)

This is what the RFL had to say about that incident:

Player attempting to complete tackle, uses forearm on opponent but inconclusive as to initial point of contact, worthy of penalty but not misconduct requiring referral

#24 Bitofaboogie

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:21 AM

Both to the sin bin and a penalty to Leeds for Radford's retaliation.



#25 Blind side johnny

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:23 AM

QUOTE (Bitofaboogie @ Sep 5 2010, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bailey provoked Radford with some unnecessary foul play, who then retaliated - both should have gone to the bin.

To send one off and leave the other unpunished was an outrage.



The way the whole situation played out seemed odd and i think Smith lost it for a moment. He had called Radford to be spoken to, and I thought he was going to get ten minutes. Suddenly Smith went "Right, off you go." and whipped the card out as fast as he could. Either it was because Radford was continuing to have the argument with Bailey in ignorance of the official or Smith suddenly got a word in his ear. Just watch the post-fight incidents again and I think you will see what I mean.

After this I did get the impression that Smith began to favour Leeds and certainly allowed Delaney to mouth off at him too many times for my liking, but overall he refereed both sides equally, apart from this one incident which clearly influenced the outcome of the game.
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#26 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:23 AM

I think the ref got it right. In most circumstances 2 yellows would have sufficed but I think the fact that Bailey wasn't fighting back and Radford looked like he had no desire to stop left the referee with no choice.

I'm not condoning Bailey for one second, and a fight is a fight but beating somebody up is bordering on assault.

#27 East Coast Tiger

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:33 AM

Baily sent off and Radford given a pay rise and keys to the city. If there is one bloke who deserves a beating it's that dirty b@stard.

#28 RS

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:33 AM

Definate Red for Bailey for the headbutt - both off.

#29 Lee

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:34 AM



Irrelevant on who was on the floor, it was a straight red


A lot of Yorkshiremen believe that when God created the world, he made it with perfect balance.
He balanced the hot areas with the cold areas. the dry areas with the wet areas.
And, in creating Yorkshire, he created the most glorious place on earth - full of majestic beauty and sporting giants.........and for balance he created....... Lancashire.

#30 giwildgo

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (Lee @ Sep 5 2010, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Irrelevant on who was on the floor, it was a straight red

Disagree - we need a bit of biff in the game, ten minutes for both would've done to cool them off and then have them both sit out a game next week as necessary (see Fielden and Griffen).

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#31 Old Frightful

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:38 AM

Both yellow, Ref should have seen the initial elbowing so penalty Hull.

Then Bailey taken outside and shot.Then Bailey suspended for previous.

                Lee Radford rang me the other week....I knew Hull FC were a bit desperate but I had no idea it had got that bad.


#32 Lee

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:46 AM

QUOTE (giwildgo @ Sep 5 2010, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Disagree - we need a bit of biff in the game, ten minutes for both would've done to cool them off and then have them both sit out a game next week as necessary (see Fielden and Griffen).


A bit of biff is one person on the floor getting repeatedly punched?

Fielden and Griffin was air punching, 10 mins to cool off

Radford was hitting a prone man and wasnt missing.





A lot of Yorkshiremen believe that when God created the world, he made it with perfect balance.
He balanced the hot areas with the cold areas. the dry areas with the wet areas.
And, in creating Yorkshire, he created the most glorious place on earth - full of majestic beauty and sporting giants.........and for balance he created....... Lancashire.

#33 Old Frightful

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:51 AM

QUOTE (Lee @ Sep 5 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Radford was hitting a prone man and wasnt missing.

Think he missed with his first two then got him with the third, IIRC.

Also, Bailey was trying to fight back, once everybody was keeping the pair of them apart.

                Lee Radford rang me the other week....I knew Hull FC were a bit desperate but I had no idea it had got that bad.


#34 giwildgo

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE (Lee @ Sep 5 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A bit of biff is one person on the floor getting repeatedly punched?

Fielden and Griffin was air punching, 10 mins to cool off

Radford was hitting a prone man and wasnt missing.

If that is the case then was Wellens on McGoldrick last night along the same lines - two forearms to the head of a player on the floor after McGoldrick had thrown a few elbows in the tackle? Only a penalty was the result of that exchange. Same happened with Joel Tomkins on Friday, he reacted to a Bradford player with a knee to the head - again only a penalty. In light on those two incidents I think Smith was disproportionate - Bailey arguably deserved some punches for the elbows to the head that started it all off - it wasn't Radford's fault that he turtled like a coward and then tried to play the hard man after other players waded in.

Fielden and Griffen got a match apiece for the fighting and only Fielden was binned (Mason was the other player).

Edited by giwildgo, 05 September 2010 - 11:56 AM.

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#35 boost

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Lee @ Sep 5 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A bit of biff is one person on the floor getting repeatedly punched?

Fielden and Griffin was air punching, 10 mins to cool off

Radford was hitting a prone man and wasnt missing.

Just can't image Jamie Peacock staying down on the floor in similar circumstances. Maybe Bailey stayed down because there wasn't anybody to hide behind?


#36 East Coast Tiger

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 12:18 PM

Pfft, actually just watched this. There was sod all in it. Radford looked like he was swatting flies off Bailey. I don't think he even connected. The cut could have come from Bailey's reaction or the original tackle. I reckon the ref only sent him because they were still carrying on afterwards. Although how Bailey didn't at least get the bin after Radford got sent is a mystery. Bailey was carrying on like a dick (whoda thunk it?) and was fully willing to go on with. So I'd go both should have been binned.

#37 nath155

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 12:32 PM

QUOTE (Maximus Decimus @ Sep 5 2010, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the ref got it right. In most circumstances 2 yellows would have sufficed but I think the fact that Bailey wasn't fighting back and Radford looked like he had no desire to stop left the referee with no choice.

I'm not condoning Bailey for one second, and a fight is a fight but beating somebody up is bordering on assault.


if bailey wants to go round swinging the elbows and he caught radford what does expect to happen he caught him clean with 2 elbows both should have been yellow carded both of them and bailey got away with it again its a joke to super league. baileys been getting away with it for years just glad radford caught him then bailey chickened out like the wimp he is

#38 Lee

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (giwildgo @ Sep 5 2010, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that is the case then was Wellens on McGoldrick last night along the same lines - two forearms to the head of a player on the floor after McGoldrick had thrown a few elbows in the tackle? Only a penalty was the result of that exchange. Same happened with Joel Tomkins on Friday, he reacted to a Bradford player with a knee to the head - again only a penalty. In light on those two incidents I think Smith was disproportionate - Bailey arguably deserved some punches for the elbows to the head that started it all off - it wasn't Radford's fault that he turtled like a coward and then tried to play the hard man after other players waded in.

Fielden and Griffen got a match apiece for the fighting and only Fielden was binned (Mason was the other player).


I would say Smith was right and the refs in your instances were disproportionate



A lot of Yorkshiremen believe that when God created the world, he made it with perfect balance.
He balanced the hot areas with the cold areas. the dry areas with the wet areas.
And, in creating Yorkshire, he created the most glorious place on earth - full of majestic beauty and sporting giants.........and for balance he created....... Lancashire.

#39 dkw

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 01:31 PM

So im guessing some Leeds fans are more than happy having a moron like Bailey in their side, who`s job seems to be to just wind up opposition players. Hes a cheap shot merchant, a coward and nasty with it, if he was someone like Peacock who likes a battle or two but will do it face to face and doesnt feel the need to do it slyly and sneakily then I wouldnt have a problem with him.

#40 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 01:33 PM

QUOTE (Maximus Decimus @ Sep 5 2010, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the ref got it right. In most circumstances 2 yellows would have sufficed but I think the fact that Bailey wasn't fighting back and Radford looked like he had no desire to stop left the referee with no choice.

I'm not condoning Bailey for one second, and a fight is a fight but beating somebody up is bordering on assault.

Bailey could have fought back. He just cowered into a ball instead. Notice how easily he got up when Radford was pulled away, and how quick he was to react when he realised Radford was restrained. He attempted to fight back then. He retaliated then. Was he punished? No.
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