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#41 bird

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:13 AM

stiil prefer cheese myself

#42 bowes

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:14 AM

QUOTE (shrek @ Sep 6 2010, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What would happen if a team was awarded a licence next year but subsequently ended up in the relegation spots, would the 3rd bottom team be relegated?

Not suggesting for one second Widnes would be, its just one of those hypothetical what ifs that isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

It's expected there will be Championship licensing from 2012 so not necessarily anyone

#43 shrek

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:28 AM

QUOTE (bowes @ Sep 7 2010, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's expected there will be Championship licensing from 2012 so not necessarily anyone


Can't see that playing out well, we're swamped on here that licensing is the work of the devil, can't see Championship clubs voting for it won't there fans be up in arms? (tongue in cheek font required!)


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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:35 AM

QUOTE (davo99 @ Sep 7 2010, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chicken and red onion myself



QUOTE (bird @ Sep 7 2010, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
stiil prefer cheese myself


Well today's a new day, so who knows what I may go for!
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#45 RP London

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Sep 7 2010, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please god its not Leigh though or TRL will suffer a meltdown, two pet hates colliding into one for one of our posters!!!

we'd be ok i think he would explode before he got near the keyboard

#46 mick wilson

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 03:13 AM

PARKSIDER, good post mate.

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 06:26 AM

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Apart from the seasons When Fax did compete. At that time they didnt have a "sugar daddy" either. Fax have a record of not being able to "hack" it in one season, the one where we were rightly relegated.


Halifax indeed did compete in the early years. so did Sheffield Eagles and Oldham went well for a couple of seasons. London started top four for the first two seasons, salford and Gateshead got sixth in the early years and castleford were a force.

Like Halifax these clubs competed at a time when they too did not have sugar daddies putting a lot of money in, but in time all these clubs not just Halifax could not hack it anymore in Superleague, and all either dropped out or started to struggle.

Why?

The financial burden became too much, these seven clubs along with Wakefield and Leigh would all have/do have, serious problems competing in Superleague today without a sugar daddy.

Sure London (serious money probs) Wakefield (No investor desperately searching for one) Salford (propped up by Mr. Wilkinson) Castleford (favourites to drop out of SL) are in Superleague now, but they are in the uncompetetive bottom six.

And here's the point - every one of these clubs SL futures has seriously been in doubt in recent years.

A couple of Featherstone fans suggested if Wakefield could do it they could. But the question for them, Halifax, leigh and any NL club is do what??

Struggle annually before the money problems lead to you selling off your ground and begging for investors, and the end up bookies and TRL fans favourites to be booted out. That#s where Wakey have finally gone.

With the utmost respect that's something Leigh, Fev and Halifax can emulate. As for Halifax they pretty much went bust in SL eventually. Didn't they then go bust in the NL's???????


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Posted 08 September 2010 - 06:52 AM

QUOTE (mick wilson @ Sep 8 2010, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
PARKSIDER, good post mate.


That's kind of you! It's just a simple fact that if you can't break even on your crowds in Superleague you need a sugar daddy to prop you up.

if you don't get a sugar daddy then you will sink.

Big crowds exist at Leeds, Wigan, Hull and Saints.

The rest of the top eight are serious sugar daddy clubs - Hudgell, Moss, Moran and Davey.

Outside of that there's Mr. Wilkinson RLFC and Mr. Hughes RLFC with club income so far away from a competetive level they need their sugar daddies just to stay afloat.

That leaves Castleford, Bradford and Wakefield.

These are the three clubs along the M62 that have no sugar daddy. Two of these are at the point of being kicked out, The third has dropped like a stone.

Again I'm not having a go but all this talk about having formed an academy, or got a marketing department together, or built a new stand, or even got a new ground (Leigh, Fax) is fine, and of course it meets the thrust of the franchising policy.

But we can't condemn the franchising policy as a sham and a vehicle for the RFL to railroad through who they want in (Crusaders) and out, and then pretend all is well and good because NL clubs are following it and successfully "building" for SL in the future.

Nobody is successfully building anything for the future in the NL's. With respect Mr. O'Connor is a sugar daddy and thank the lord for him and thank the lord Widnes will come in and try to shake up Wigan, Saints and Wire with Salford joining in in a couple of years. It will be highly exciting for that clutch of five cubs in traditional central west Lancashire (when I went to visit Barton I noted the warrington signpost on the road outside the stadium site), and fans looking on. I fear for Yorkshire SL clubs biggrin.gif

So the ONLY question at Barrow is just how much is Mr. Johnson prepared to back Barrow to. Any idea??




#49 RP London

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 08:36 AM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Sep 8 2010, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Halifax indeed did compete in the early years. so did Sheffield Eagles and Oldham went well for a couple of seasons. London started top four for the first two seasons, salford and Gateshead got sixth in the early years and castleford were a force.

Like Halifax these clubs competed at a time when they too did not have sugar daddies putting a lot of money in, but in time all these clubs not just Halifax could not hack it anymore in Superleague, and all either dropped out or started to struggle.

Why?

The financial burden became too much, these seven clubs along with Wakefield and Leigh would all have/do have, serious problems competing in Superleague today without a sugar daddy.

Sure London (serious money probs) Wakefield (No investor desperately searching for one) Salford (propped up by Mr. Wilkinson) Castleford (favourites to drop out of SL) are in Superleague now, but they are in the uncompetetive bottom six.

And here's the point - every one of these clubs SL futures has seriously been in doubt in recent years.

A couple of Featherstone fans suggested if Wakefield could do it they could. But the question for them, Halifax, leigh and any NL club is do what??

Struggle annually before the money problems lead to you selling off your ground and begging for investors, and the end up bookies and TRL fans favourites to be booted out. That#s where Wakey have finally gone.

With the utmost respect that's something Leigh, Fev and Halifax can emulate. As for Halifax they pretty much went bust in SL eventually. Didn't they then go bust in the NL's???????


IIRC Eagles werent doing that badly (the crowd averages printed in RLW this week were quite interesting) until the owner (not really a sugar daddy but he had a bit of cash) was offered silly money for merging with Huddersfield.

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE (RP London @ Sep 8 2010, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
IIRC Eagles werent doing that badly (the crowd averages printed in RLW this week were quite interesting) until the owner (not really a sugar daddy but he had a bit of cash) was offered silly money for merging with Huddersfield.



The Eagles in Superleague recorded finishes of 7th, 8th, 8th and 10th in Superleague before conceding that they had difficulty in competing against a backdrop of gates dropping from 4,500 to 3,600 by 2000. I don't know much about the hideous merger, but someone may have got their money back that they'd invested in Eagles.

I do know that Hetherington jumped ship from his pet project and went on to headingley where he steered the club to four Superleague wins. I think he is "astute", and knew where the money was, rather than some of the names he's called on here biggrin.gif

As for the Eagles I am delighted that they are now playing out of Bramall Lane.

The massive problem RL has in professional expansion is that areas outside the "heartlands" tend to throw up few if any sugar daddies (this is the right term - look it up in the dictionary - "Elderly man who lavishes gifts on Rugby League clubs") biggrin.gif . I was in sheffield this week and was told about Wednesdays owner who had shelled out Millions only to end up in the second division with 26M debt, and another millionaire who has put Millions into United only to have to try to get someone else from everseas to take over.

It's a football city, and as cheap as the Eagles come nobody wants them. Nobody seems to want Wakefield or Castleford, or Bradford and they ARE Rugby league areas. Who would ever doubt that if a multi millionaire stepped forward for any of these four clubs the RFL wouldn't have them back in SL like a shot subject to the ground.

Good ground + fat chequebook is the real franchise criteria.

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Sep 8 2010, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Eagles in Superleague recorded finishes of 7th, 8th, 8th and 10th in Superleague before conceding that they had difficulty in competing against a backdrop of gates dropping from 4,500 to 3,600 by 2000. I don't know much about the hideous merger, but someone may have got their money back that they'd invested in Eagles.

I do know that Hetherington jumped ship from his pet project and went on to headingley where he steered the club to four Superleague wins. I think he is "astute", and knew where the money was, rather than some of the names he's called on here biggrin.gif

As for the Eagles I am delighted that they are now playing out of Bramall Lane.

The massive problem RL has in professional expansion is that areas outside the "heartlands" tend to throw up few if any sugar daddies (this is the right term - look it up in the dictionary - "Elderly man who lavishes gifts on Rugby League clubs") biggrin.gif . I was in sheffield this week and was told about Wednesdays owner who had shelled out Millions only to end up in the second division with 26M debt, and another millionaire who has put Millions into United only to have to try to get someone else from everseas to take over.

It's a football city, and as cheap as the Eagles come nobody wants them. Nobody seems to want Wakefield or Castleford, or Bradford and they ARE Rugby league areas. Who would ever doubt that if a multi millionaire stepped forward for any of these four clubs the RFL wouldn't have them back in SL like a shot subject to the ground.

Good ground + fat chequebook is the real franchise criteria.


you should have said and called in..

well aware of the wednesday issues as a fan i'm following it with a lot of heartache!

i dodnt think eagles were doing that badly though.. ie it was more someone seeing a big cheque to jack it in rather than anythign else.. hence being sold down the river which is the feeling that fans got. my main issue was with "could not hack it in super league anymore".. the owner couldnt and sold us down the river.. we had just won the challenge cup we were able to "compete" but the owner decided he would rather take a hand out rather than keep on going.. it wasnt necessarily a sugar daddy but someone with interest/just giving a toss about the club that we needed..




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