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#21 Dave T

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:31 AM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Sep 7 2010, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
who is SuperLeagues top try scorer?

Richards - since when has that been a qualifier for MoS? I'm not sure I can ever remember the top try scorer being given the award, otherwise it would be boring, just like if it was only given to a tough tackling forward every year as some people seem to want.

It should be judged on overall impact and importance to a team and competition, if they decide Richards I won't complain, but I've no doubt many will complain if it went to someone like Westwood over Richards.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:31 AM

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There are a number of choices. Wingers should never be MOS though.


I agree. Loose forward, hooker, the halves and at a pinch a full back or 2nd row - these positions are where your actual Men of Steel ply their trade.

Having said that ( biggrin.gif ), I reckon Morley should be in with a sniff. If not him, then O'Loughlin.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:38 AM

I'd give it to Westwood. He's been as good as anyone this year. And it would be nice to acknowledge that a player who is regarded as wholly unexceptional (or even something of a liability) early in his career can, by virtue of sheer hard work and dedication, achieve one of the highest honours in the game.



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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:21 AM

I too think there are other candidates this season but my personal opinion is that Richards must get it, not only does he score tries and goals (which probably doesn't affect MOS anyway) its the work he's done bringing the ball out of his own half, busting tackles, gaining valuable metres etc etc that goes unoticed by the average fan.

#25 Dave T

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:25 AM

QUOTE (matts @ Sep 7 2010, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I too think there are other candidates this season but my personal opinion is that Richards must get it, not only does he score tries and goals (which probably doesn't affect MOS anyway) its the work he's done bringing the ball out of his own half, busting tackles, gaining valuable metres etc etc that goes unoticed by the average fan.
I agree that Richards is very valuable and not just for finishing moves off, but it was your statement that it would be a farce if he doesn't get it, when you acknowledge that there are other candidates.


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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:23 AM

Richards could not do more than he has done - he turns up and performs every week - taking the ball up, saving tries, kicking and running the ball mile after mile. To be top try scorer and kicker and also be consistently one of the best players in the league's top team he has done everything which any winger can have done. Whether a winger can ever be "steely" enough to win this is a different matter. If it is who would win in a fight then it probably wouldn't be Pat (it would be McIllorum out of Wigan's squad).

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:48 AM

Incidentally, Pat was clear winner of the RLWA player of the year award. Morley was second. This is tribute to a great man and a great player. It is worth bearing in mind that he had not kicked goals before coming here, and that the jury was very much out on him in his first year with Wigan (in those dark days of yore). His dedication to the Irish cause also deserves respect. I was lucky enough to be at Parra when he helped Ireland to victory over Samoa. I was sitting with the Parra directors and when his name came up the one to my left said "A wonderful man - we would have him back tomorrow", which was the only good thing he said about any non Parra player all evening.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:57 AM

I think the name of the award "Man of Steel" seems to have a sense of toughness and power in it as opposed to player of the year. That can be the only reason that anybody could grumble at Pat Richards picking up this award (if he does). As a Warrington fan I can see the effect that Morley has on our team and he too is a worthy candidate for the honour. But I think that Pat Richards consistency in his goal kicking and the taking of the chances that have come his way are some of the main reasons that Wigan have finished top of the pile. His effect on that team is immense. In the close games (and I know there haven't been many) he has been the reason the team won (22-20 against us, 18-10 against Saints).

Having said all that I cannot see why Cunningham is even being mentioned as a potential winner!

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:17 PM

Richards for Man of Steel is as clear as Briers was for Lance Todd
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#30 Dave T

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:33 PM

QUOTE (Exiled Wiganer @ Sep 7 2010, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Richards could not do more than he has done - he turns up and performs every week - taking the ball up, saving tries, kicking and running the ball mile after mile. To be top try scorer and kicker and also be consistently one of the best players in the league's top team he has done everything which any winger can have done. Whether a winger can ever be "steely" enough to win this is a different matter. If it is who would win in a fight then it probably wouldn't be Pat (it would be McIllorum out of Wigan's squad).
I agree, and completely disagree with other people on the whole 'steely' thing - it is nonsense.

Personally, I couldn't say whether I would vote for Richards, as I haven't seen enough of him, but plenty of neutrals have and if they vote for him, then that's good enough for me.

I remember Jonathan Davies winning it back in 1993/4 (?) and he certainly wasn't 'steely'.

From my team, I know Morley came second in the RLPW award, but personally feel Westwood has been better than Morley this year (although that clearly is no slur on Morley!).

I just don't buy that it is a one-horse race (although it may turn out like that in the voting) as there have been many great performances throughout the year.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Sep 7 2010, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree, and completely disagree with other people on the whole 'steely' thing - it is nonsense.

Personally, I couldn't say whether I would vote for Richards, as I haven't seen enough of him, but plenty of neutrals have and if they vote for him, then that's good enough for me.

I remember Jonathan Davies winning it back in 1993/4 (?) and he certainly wasn't 'steely'.

From my team, I know Morley came second in the RLPW award, but personally feel Westwood has been better than Morley this year (although that clearly is no slur on Morley!).

I just don't buy that it is a one-horse race (although it may turn out like that in the voting) as there have been many great performances throughout the year.


DaveT I think you may be right about Westwood in the last couple of months but over the season as a whole I think Morley pips him! But Benny has come on leaps and bounds this season so long may it continue!

This award is voted for by the players as opposed to the press so they may view things in a completely different light. They would certainly see notice more than your average joe and probably appreciate more the work done overall which maybe doesn't grab all the headlines but certainly helps the team.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:50 PM

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DaveT I think you may be right about Westwood in the last couple of months but over the season as a whole I think Morley pips him! But Benny has come on leaps and bounds this season so long may it continue!
Anyone who knows me on here knows how highly I rate Morley, so as I say it is no slur on him to be rated only behind Westwood for us. I think Westwood has come on leaps and bounds during the past three years tbh, his first appearance in the Dream Team was 2008, and he has been exceptional since then.

I certainly won't complain about Morley getting more votes than Westwood, as it is simply opinion, as they have both been excellent IMHO.


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Posted 07 September 2010 - 04:37 PM

Richards is only the second person in British RL to top the try scoring list, goalkicking list and points list in the same season (Len Kileen for St. Helens in 1965/66 was the other). For such a rare feat (including now co-holding the SL single season points record with Andy Farrell) I fail to see how there is any other candidate, particularly given that he also played in the League Leading side, was third overall in metres gained (behind Graham and Roby only from a lot less carries), seventh in tackle busts (again ahead of Morley), most try assists of any winger (11) and equal first overall in clean breaks (with McGuire and David Hodgson).

No other player in the league can touch his season from a statistical perspective, which is all the more startling given he is a winger.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE (giwildgo @ Sep 7 2010, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Richards is only the second person in British RL to top the try scoring list, goalkicking list and points list in the same season (Len Kileen for St. Helens in 1965/66 was the other). For such a rare feat I fail to see how there is any other candidate, particularly given that he also played in the League Leading side, was third overall in metres gained (behind Graham and Roby only from a lot less carries), seventh in tackle busts (again ahead of Morley), most try assists of any winger (11) and equal first overall in clean breaks (with McGuire and David Hodgson).


I do agree with this - it's not any indictment of the likes of Graham, Westwood etc that Richards should win; the Wigan man has had a freakish season in the side that topped the table.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 05:12 PM

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Bitofaboogie, is that you? Go on, tell us something about the special relationship.

There are a number of choices. Wingers should never be MOS though.



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Posted 08 September 2010 - 09:55 PM

Dont know the stats but when did a player from the west side of the penines last win MOS? Leeds have one the last 3 grand finals but been nowhere near with the individual awards. Sinfield has for that period played at a consistantly high standard (club rugby not internationals as they are very different things) but never gets a mention in MOS. However Roby was the most bizarre choice. Fine player but the best in the league? Peacock turns in very damaging performances week in week out for both club and country but nothing in MOS for Leeds and 3 grand final rings. A pal of mine says they are biased against Yorkshie clubs and I'm finding it hard to disagree. mad.gif

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 10:22 PM

I'm afraid that the Roby joke ruined the MoS for me, I couldn't really give a $h!t who wins it.

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#38 BringBacktheBiff

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 12:35 AM

I think there should be a player of the year alongside the man of steel. With the POY going to the best player (this season Pat Richards) and MOS to someone like Morley or Peacock who constantly rack up big metres and tackles

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 11:15 AM

Ben Westwood has deservedly been mentioned. Transformed from a penalty machine and a bit of a carthorse to a workaholic goal kicking second rower twho can go the whole 80 minutes every week has been a huge part of Warrington making the step up. Can't think of anyone who has stepped up this season as much as Westwood. Thoroughly deserves the award.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 11:27 AM

QUOTE (giwildgo @ Sep 7 2010, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Richards is only the second person in British RL to top the try scoring list, goalkicking list and points list in the same season (Len Kileen for St. Helens in 1965/66 was the other). For such a rare feat (including now co-holding the SL single season points record with Andy Farrell) I fail to see how there is any other candidate, particularly given that he also played in the League Leading side, was third overall in metres gained (behind Graham and Roby only from a lot less carries), seventh in tackle busts (again ahead of Morley), most try assists of any winger (11) and equal first overall in clean breaks (with McGuire and David Hodgson).

No other player in the league can touch his season from a statistical perspective, which is all the more startling given he is a winger.


I don't agree with Richards, simply because he is on the end of what happens. Wingers get the glory in terms of points on the board, but the tries aren't made on the wing. He has kicked as impressively as anyone since Botica at Wigan, but there again penalties aren't usually won out wide. Points wise he looks good, but wouldn't be my choice.




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