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#41 HappyDave

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (stumain @ Sep 14 2010, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shenton and Atkins.


How's Shenton's form been this season? As I haven't watched many Cas games as they've been pretty poor as a team in 2010. By the sounds of it there are a fair few calls for Gleeson rather than Shenton in this thread.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 01:06 PM

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Aren't Inglis & Senior built like Second Rowers? I'd definitly agree we shouldn't be playing Second Rows at Centre. I've read that Ellis has played Centre but I'm guessing that would have been when he was a smaller build when younger? As he's too big built to have the speed needed for a Centre & he's too good a Second Row to play out of poition. Even if Macca can't convince Senior to come out of Internantional retirement & weaker Centres is still better than playing a Second Row or an other Back out of position.


sure he played a bit there for wakefield before he signed for leeds???

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (HappyDave @ Sep 16 2010, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How's Shenton's form been this season? As I haven't watched many Cas games as they've been pretty poor as a team in 2010. By the sounds of it there are a fair few calls for Gleeson rather than Shenton in this thread.


Not great I'll be honest but think that's been mainly due to the team around him.

I still think he's worth the pick though
Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

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#44 Saint Toppy

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:08 AM

Martin Gleeson - Despite Wigan having a great year he's hardly stood out. For me he would be the safe & steady option for England as he won't let anyone down.
Ryan Atkins - Improved a lot this year but for me still makes too many errors in defence and i've lost count of the number of times he's taken the wrong option and not passed to his wingman.
Michael Shenton - Not had as good a year as last season but has still done okay in an underperforming team. He has however shown he can play well at test level and was probably Englands best centre last year so deserves his place in the team.
Leroy Cudjoe - Had a great season for Hudds and has all the makings of a top class player. Has size, strength & more importantly lots of pace. His only downside is his lack of experience at the top level which may get exploited by the Aussies & Kiwi's.
Sykes - No blo*dy way should he ever play for England again. Apart from the fact he's been an absolute disaster every time he's played at test level he's also had a shocking season for Bradford. He must be blackmailing Macnamara to even have a place in the train on squad ?
Lee Smith - Another No blo*dy way one for me. Was utter garbage in last years 4N and has done absolutely nothing since returning to the Rhino's this year.

Realistically we have 4 centres to pick from Shenton, Gleeson, Atkins & Cudjoe. Pesonally I think Shenton should get one place due to his previous test form and I'd then go for Cudjoe as we have to give him a chance sometime.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE (Saint Toppy @ Sep 17 2010, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Martin Gleeson - Despite Wigan having a great year he's hardly stood out. For me he would be the safe & steady option for England as he won't let anyone down.
Ryan Atkins - Improved a lot this year but for me still makes too many errors in defence and i've lost count of the number of times he's taken the wrong option and not passed to his wingman.
Michael Shenton - Not had as good a year as last season but has still done okay in an underperforming team. He has however shown he can play well at test level and was probably Englands best centre last year so deserves his place in the team.
Leroy Cudjoe - Had a great season for Hudds and has all the makings of a top class player. Has size, strength & more importantly lots of pace. His only downside is his lack of experience at the top level which may get exploited by the Aussies & Kiwi's.
Sykes - No blo*dy way should he ever play for England again. Apart from the fact he's been an absolute disaster every time he's played at test level he's also had a shocking season for Bradford. He must be blackmailing Macnamara to even have a place in the train on squad ?
Lee Smith - Another No blo*dy way one for me. Was utter garbage in last years 4N and has done absolutely nothing since returning to the Rhino's this year.

Realistically we have 4 centres to pick from Shenton, Gleeson, Atkins & Cudjoe. Pesonally I think Shenton should get one place due to his previous test form and I'd then go for Cudjoe as we have to give him a chance sometime.



Atkins :- 13 try assists not bad for wrong decision making.

Centres for England Atkins and Cudjoe

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:24 AM

I think Bridgehas been the best centre I have seen this year. Gleeson has been the second. Shenton strikes me as an ordinary player, but a steady one and deserves to partner Gleeson on the basis of last year's international form - though if even Saint Toppy, who sees any player associated with Saints as a future Hall of Famer, can't get excited about him he must be pretty limited. I get the impression Gleeson is out of favour for non rugby reasons, and so he won't be picked, especially for a tour. I have always thought that there is more than an air of headless chickenness about Atkins, but maybe that off the cuff style would go well alongside steady eddie Shenton...


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:47 PM

With regards the talk of 2nd rowers in the centre and body shapes etc, it entirely depends on the player. Senior, as someone suggested, is built like a 2nd row but has the positional sense and physical attributes to play centre.

Ellis and Westwood were both centres when they started but I wouldnt have them anywhere near centre now as they arent quick enough.

A good centre has to have high skill levels, good feet, acceleration, a bit of a fend and good positional sense. Its the hardest position on the field to defend in and you are quite often one on one.

Playing Joel Tomkins in the centre would be an unmitigated disaster against someone like Gasnier. i doubt he would tackle him and the winger would have a field day. Centre is an extremely specialist position where you can easily get found out against the quality we will be up against.

Gleeson seems like an obvious choice although his off field reputation might preclude him. At the moment Id feel safer with Gleeson there.

Atkins has improved a lot this year. His skill has improved and his positional awareness is better. His wingers now actually get the ball!! Still a bit sceptical about his concentration for a full game against top players but probably deserves a chance.

Shenton. flatters to deceive really. I want him to kick on but he doesnt seem to. I wouldnt mind him being there though and didnt let anyone down last year.

Yeaman. So disappointed in how his career has gone. He should have really kicked on after 2006 but has gone backwards. Doesnt deserve a spot.

Sykes. Fk off

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#48 Dave T

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (Exiled Wiganer @ Sep 17 2010, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Bridgehas been the best centre I have seen this year. Gleeson has been the second. Shenton strikes me as an ordinary player, but a steady one and deserves to partner Gleeson on the basis of last year's international form - though if even Saint Toppy, who sees any player associated with Saints as a future Hall of Famer, can't get excited about him he must be pretty limited. I get the impression Gleeson is out of favour for non rugby reasons, and so he won't be picked, especially for a tour. I have always thought that there is more than an air of headless chickenness about Atkins, but maybe that off the cuff style would go well alongside steady eddie Shenton...
Would agree with much of that, although not seen as much of Gleeson this year so probably not in a great position to comment on him.

I am a little less concerned about the prospect of Atkins playing now as I was a couple of months back. I do think he has improved, especially in the back end of the year in some of the bigger games.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 01:11 PM

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Atkins :- 13 try assists not bad for wrong decision making.

Centres for England Atkins and Cudjoe


Completely agree. I'm not sure why so many people on here are against Atkins. He's been one of the best Centres England has produced in a while. Atkins and Senior for me.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:06 PM

ellis played half of his last season @ leeds at center.....pretty damn destructive iirc....not that i'd move ellis to the england centre position,he's the best 2nd rower in the world and needs to play there...but someone like joel tomkins who at the moment is'nt going to get a look in @ 2nd row for england at the moment,but is big enough,mobile enough,defensively strong enough to play in the centers....we have to consider it imo..

he attacks and defends on that rightside next to the center anyway...not much of a difference moving him one man outside..

my backline

1. gareth widdop
2. tom briscoe
3. michael shenton/ryan atkins
4. joel tomkins
5. ryan hall
6. sam tomkins
7. kyle eastmond

i really like the look of that

Edited by roughyedspud, 17 September 2010 - 10:08 PM.

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#51 getdownmonkeyman

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:06 PM

Has Kris Welham been mentioned in this thread? If so, take him off the list. I don't recall a player being so relentlessly pinpointed in a game.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:19 PM

think he only got mentioned cos he's english laugh.gif


i really like tony clubb too...if he was at one of the northern clubs i reckon he'd get more of a look in...maybe he should follow LMS north?

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#53 boxhead

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE (roughyedspud @ Sep 17 2010, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ellis played half of his last season @ leeds at center.....pretty damn destructive iirc....not that i'd move ellis to the england centre position,he's the best 2nd rower in the world and needs to play there...but someone like joel tomkins who at the moment is'nt going to get a look in @ 2nd row for england at the moment,but is big enough,mobile enough,defensively strong enough to play in the centers....we have to consider it imo..

he attacks and defends on that rightside next to the center anyway...not much of a difference moving him one man outside..

my backline

1. gareth widdop
2. tom briscoe
3. michael shenton/ryan atkins
4. joel tomkins
5. ryan hall
6. sam tomkins
7. kyle eastmond

i really like the look of that


How many first grade games has Widdop played this year?
Is he better with a handful of games in the NRL than all of the SL Fullbacks?
Is Eastmond healthy?

Edited by AndyCapp, 18 September 2010 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 19 September 2010 - 07:31 AM

widdops played 2.....he'd only played 1 first grade game when he made his fantastic debut for england and yes he's already better that all the english fullbacks in ESL...


is eastmond healthy....i hope so..




and does anyone care to tell me where 2nd rower lee gilmour played for huddersfield last night??

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 07:37 AM

Good point. For some reason Happy has played less international football than his talent merited. I still wouldn't pick Joel though in the centres. Bridge and Gleeson would be ideal (another good performance from Gleeson on Friday), failing that Gleeson and Atkins - Atkins' unpredictability could unsettle the Aussies.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 07:56 AM

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Good point. For some reason Happy has played less international football than his talent merited. I still wouldn't pick Joel though in the centres. Bridge and Gleeson would be ideal (another good performance from Gleeson on Friday), failing that Gleeson and Atkins - Atkins' unpredictability could unsettle the Aussies.

Isn't his unavailabilty what this thread's about EW? huh.gif Or have I missed summat?

Completely agree with your assessment of Atkins, he's a terrific player but does have the headless chicken thing about him. I'd still pick him though. Probably alongside Gleeson due to lack of anyone else.

The way we're all scratting around searching for the right options including picking forwards out of position has a depressingly familiar ring to it. Nobody's an obvious choice and that's very worrying.

Although it's a chance to see the best of the Aussies and Kiwis, deep down I'm dreading the tournament. sad.gif

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 08:15 AM

we'll beat the kiwis and PNG and make the final....stop flapping wink.gif

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 08:23 AM

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we'll beat the kiwis and PNG and make the final....stop flapping wink.gif

Thanks, I feel much more confident now. biggrin.gif

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 09:09 AM

we'll get tanked in the final though...lol

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