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#21 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:40 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Sep 21 2010, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why Redcliffe Dolphins Terry?

My forum name,terrywebbisgod,I was a junior at Leeds ,Terry was in the first team and was a big influence on my playing style and helped me to develop as a player.Terry played for Redcliffe and has a role at the club still.
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#22 boxhead

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE (terrywebbisgod @ Sep 21 2010, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My forum name,terrywebbisgod,I was a junior at Leeds ,Terry was in the first team and was a big influence on my playing style and helped me to develop as a player.Terry played for Redcliffe and has a role at the club still.



Thats interesting.
He is a Club Director, The Dolphins had a tough year this time around.
I know the Club reasonably well, I used to live not far from there.


#23 Odsal Outlaw

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (bewareshadows @ Sep 21 2010, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also has Wellens retired from international duty or are we jumping the gun before the remaining 4 sides players become available for selection.


Wellens is ok for Saints but lacks the pace to be effective at international level. I personally wouldnt even have him in the squad.

I think Tomkins has been a revelation at FB for Wigan, I'd have him there, altho that does leave a dilema in the halves. I'd take Eastmond if he's anywhere near fit.
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#24 boxhead

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE (Odsal Outlaw @ Sep 21 2010, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wellens is ok for Saints but lacks the pace to be effective at international level. I personally wouldnt even have him in the squad.

I think Tomkins has been a revelation at FB for Wigan, I'd have him there, altho that does leave a dilema in the halves. I'd take Eastmond if he's anywhere near fit.



Wellens was shown up in 2008WC he never did that much before that at Test level.
Tomkins would be better at Half Back where he is in the line.
If Tomkins is at FB, Australia and the Kiwis will target him with high kicks and isolate him one on one with the runners in the SH backlines.
Tomkins v Vatuvei or Hayne etc will be a non event.
O'Donnell is a fine player but not at the top of the Tree, he had Tomkins looking like a speed bump.


Not strong enough or tall enough for Test fullback.
Height 178 cm (5 ft 10 in)
Weight 77 kg (170 lb; 12 st 2 lb)



#25 Allan Marsden

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 03:47 PM

Higham is luck to get selected IMO but the other lucky selection and the most frustrating player is Carvell. Physically he has it, he has some skills but his error rate is awful.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 04:29 PM

widdop
hall
gleeson
atkins
briscoe
tomkins
robinson/eastmond if he can prove he's fit
morley
sinfield
graham
ellis
westwood
burgess

roby
lynch
fielden
o'loughlin

mainly based upon this seasons stats, with the exception of widdop, who for me against france looked to be way better than anything we have over here, I just don't think tomkins' one on one defence is upto playing fullback at international level plus we're short in the halves with no mcguire/pryce/maybe eastmond wich is why robinson is there, his stats put him as best of the rest for me. I've tried to pick players with reasonably low error and penalty counts (in most cases) as we really don't need to be putting preasure on ourselves.
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#27 jackknife

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Sep 20 2010, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For what its worth this would be my England side for the 4 Nations.

1. Garreth Widdop sam tomkins
2. Peter Fox
3. Ryan Atkins
4. Michael Shenton
5. Ryan Hall
6. Sam Tomkins richie myler
7. Kyle Eastmond
8. Adrian Morley
9. Kevin Sinfield
10. Sammy Burgess
11. Garreth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14 James Graham
15 Joel Tomkins
16 Richie Myler earl crabtree
17 James Roby


not far off my side there wendall

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#28 Allan Marsden

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 05:13 PM

Anybody think Earl needs to shed a few pounds and that he has become a tad too big.

#29 Odsal Outlaw

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Sep 21 2010, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Tomkins is at FB, Australia and the Kiwis will target him with high kicks and isolate him one on one with the runners in the SH backlines.
Tomkins v Vatuvei or Hayne etc will be a non event.
O'Donnell is a fine player but not at the top of the Tree, he had Tomkins looking like a speed bump.



QUOTE (steef @ Sep 21 2010, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wich is why robinson is there, his stats put him as best of the rest for me.


Fair point re: Tomkins, he may come undone defensively and under the high ball, but in terms of attacking capability I think he's the best we've got. Also think Robinson may be worth a shout, I'd not really thought of him. Presuming Eastmond isn't fit enough (otherwise have him) then you could play Sinfield at 13 but with a play-maker type role and have Tomkins as a 6 with more of a free roaming role so that he effectively attacks as he does now from FB at Wigan. That would leave the FB slot for someone who is more solid from a defensive perspective.
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