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#21 HappyDave

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 05:17 PM

Which position is Atkins best in? Is he a Centre or a Winger? I've said it before I don't think Fox's form has been good enough this year. Plus why are people talking about JJB? Didn't he play for Jamaica in the Atlantic Cup earlier this year?
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#22 joe elliot

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 09:17 AM

1. sam tompkins (our best attacking threat)
2. ryan hall
3. michael shenton
4. ryan atkins
5. widdop
6. kevin brown
7. luke robinson
8. adrian morley
9. kevin sinfield
10. stuart fielden
11. gareth ellis
12. sam burgess
13. sean o'loughlin

14. westwood
15. james graham
16. joel tompkins
17. james roby
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 07:16 PM

1. Tomkins
2. Briscoe
3. Shenton
4. Atkins
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. Myler
8. Morley
9. Roby
10. Graham
11. Ellis
12. Burgess
13. O'Loughlin
INT Robinson
INT Westwood
INT Flanagan
INT Fielden

Rest Of Squad
Cudjoe, Moore, Wilkin, Griffin, McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Carvell, Widdop, Burrow

#24 Fully

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 07:23 PM

Wellens
Cudjoe
Atkins
Shenton
Hall
Tomkins
Burrow
Graham
Sinfield
Morley
Ellis
Westwood
Burgess

Bench: Lynch, Fielden, Roby, O'Loughlin.

Edited by Fully, 27 September 2010 - 08:28 PM.


#25 Storm

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 04:35 AM

1 S Tomkin
2 Cudjoe
3 T Briscoe
4 Shenton
5 Hall
6 Brown
7 Brough (Eastmond not fit, Burrow to predicatable, Robinson doesn't play scrum half for his club, Myler not picked for cup final, so not ready for internationals then).

8 Graham ©
9 Sinfield
10 Morley
11 Ellis
12 Burgess
13 O'Loughlin

14 J Tomkin
15 Westwood
16 Crabtree
17 Roby

#26 goldcoaster

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:13 AM


1. Tomkins
2. Cudjoe
3. Shenton
4. Atkins
5. Hall
6. Brown
7. Dobson
8. Graham
9. Sinfield
10. Morley
11. Ellis
12. Burgess
13. O'Loughlin

14. Lunt
15. Crabtree
16. Westwood
17. Tomkins / Heighnington
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#27 Dave T

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 10:03 AM

I wouldn't argue with many of these teams tbh, and it does look like quite a strong fresh team, despite a couple of injuries.

#28 The Boy Saint

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 04:00 PM

1. Paul Wellens
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Michael Shenton
4. Ryan Atkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Sam Tomkins
7. Matty Smith (Why not? In form, prefer him to Myler at the mo)
8. Adrian Morley
9. Kevin Sinfield
10. James Graham
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sam Burgess

14. James Roby
15. Andy Lynch/Stuart Fielden
16. Sean O'Loughlin
17. Joel Tomkins



#29 faz'_nose

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 07:05 PM

Tomkins S.
Cudjoe
Atkins
Gleeson
Hall
Sinfield
Myler (Eastmond, if fit)
Graham
Roby
Morley
Ellis
Burgess
O'Loughlin

Crabtree
Fielden
Tomkins J.
Westwood

I'm not saying the team above is ideal and one potential problem is that Roby would probably have to do the full 80. However, I would always go with four forwards on the bench against Aus and NZ. Additionally, I've picked three quarters that are amongst the biggest in the British game.



#30 joe elliot

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 07:59 PM

QUOTE (joe elliot @ Sep 26 2010, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. sam tompkins (our best attacking threat)
2. ryan hall
3. michael shenton
4. ryan atkins
5. tom briscoe
6. kevin brown
7. matty smith or paul deacon (someone with a decent long kicking game)
8. adrian morley
9. kevin sinfield
10. stuart fielden
11. gareth ellis
12. sam burgess
13. sean o'loughlin

14. westwood
15. james graham
16. joel tompkins
17. james roby


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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE (Storm @ Sep 27 2010, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1 S Tomkin
2 Cudjoe
3 T Briscoe
4 Shenton
5 Hall
6 Brown
7 Brough (Eastmond not fit, Burrow to predicatable, Robinson doesn't play scrum half for his club, Myler not picked for cup final, so not ready for internationals then).

8 Graham
9 Sinfield
10 Morley
11 Ellis
12 Burgess
13 O'Loughlin

14 J Tomkin
15 Westwood
16 Crabtree
17 Roby





Just one problem, i think he is scottish wink.gif rolleyes.gif

#32 Sam79

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 09:15 PM

1) Wellens
2) Briscoe
3) Atkins
4) Gleeson
5) Hall
6) Tomkins
7) Eastmond
8) Morley
9) Sinfield
10) Graham
11) Ellis
12) Burgess
13) O'Loughlin

14) Roby
15) Westwood
16) Fielden
17) Crabtree

I'd also like to see Joel Tomkins, Liam Watts, Leroy Cudjoe & Kevin Brown in the squad. It's not ideal having Sinfield at 9 but whilst we have a load of good young hookers none of them has really made an irresistible case for selection (this time next year it could be an interesting choice between Lunt, Roby, Ellis & Houghton). If Eastmond doesn't make it I'd move Tomkins to 7 and play Sinfield at 6. Roby would have to start at 9 but I'd prefer to have him coming off the bench.

#33 goldcoaster

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 09:41 PM


I think Michael Dobson for halfback. He has been in the SL dream team this year, and always performs well as a creative halfback- which is what England sorely need. Eastmond and Tomkins are too similar as both are ball runners. England need someone to steer the team around th epark, and Dobson can do that.

Yes, I know Dobson was born in OZ, but he qualifies for England both through his parents and through residency. He has played most of his career in the ESL, and should be considered is England are genuine about winning. The precedent has been set anyway with Faasavalu.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 09:46 PM

as HKR players have been added to the squad I'm guessing he's not available. I hope its because he considers himself Australian and doesn't want to play for England even though he qualifies, wich is exactly as it should be.
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#35 Brigg Rover

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:34 PM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Sep 25 2010, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tomkins is a quality player without a doubt.

The Australians calculate the plays like a War room.
They will see his weight/height and defensive/attack skills and Coach their team to a point against him.

Small/light, defensively questionable.

Answer

Isolate him under the kick.
Target him with running back rowers.
Hit him hard and if nothing else blunt his attack options.
Put him one on one with speedy faster 100kg+ backs that might step him, run over him or beat him for pace.

Fullback will be England's hot spot this 4 Nations.


The most dynamic attacking players are picked to play full back in the NRL. Billy Slater, Matt Bowen, Preston Cambell, Josh Duggan, the young kid at Cronula with those 2 length of the field tries this year and Jarryd Hayne. Only one of them is what you would call BIG for a full back.

The way you beat Australia is by scoring more points than them, you do not out defend them. And if you think his defence is questionable then you ain't seen him play.
Put him one on one with speedy faster 100kg+ backs you say sorry mate they don't exist!

#36 HappyDave

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 11:07 PM

Seeing as there's no way on Earth Eastmond will be travelling to Aus due to all his injuries & him keep picking up injuries this year who are England's options in the Halves? Kevin Brown, Sam Tomkins, Luke Robinson, Rob Burrow & who else?

Sinfield showed the roles of Hooker & Captain of England to be his in last year's G4N so I think he needs to keep those roles this year too.

Edited by HappyDave, 28 September 2010 - 11:17 PM.

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#37 boxhead

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 05:25 AM

QUOTE (Brigg Rover @ Sep 28 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The most dynamic attacking players are picked to play full back in the NRL. Billy Slater, Matt Bowen, Preston Cambell, Josh Duggan, the young kid at Cronula with those 2 length of the field tries this year and Jarryd Hayne. Only one of them is what you would call BIG for a full back.

The way you beat Australia is by scoring more points than them, you do not out defend them. And if you think his defence is questionable then you ain't seen him play.
Put him one on one with speedy faster 100kg+ backs you say sorry mate they don't exist!


Maybe but.. fine players that they are Cambell and Bowen are no longer at the top of their game, Preston is 33 years old and has never reached State selection let alone Test and Bowen had a very limited Test career against the likes of the USA over 6 years ago.

Slater 5 ft 10 in & 13 st 8 lb
Hayne 6 ft 2 in & 16 st 1 lb
Boyd 6 ft 1 in & 14 st 13 lb
Coote 5 ft 10 in & 13 st 5 lb
Minichiello 5 ft 11 in & 14 st 5 lb
Dugan 6 ft 2 in & 13 st 12

Tomkins 5 ft 10 in & 12 st 2 lb

Sam looked far less effective last year in the Four Nations final as a half when his obvious big step had been noted and allowed for.

Scoring more points than any team you play wins the game, but if you do not restrict the points Australia puts on you the chances of blowing them off the field with your own attack is an unlikely outcome.
An open expansive game on dry Australian pitches will not work against their structured defense and pace they posses to outplay them at their own game.


Tomkins defense against Scott Donald in a recent game did not give me the confidence in his ability that you have.
Tomkins would not be as fast as half of the Oz fullbacks mentioned above over more than a short sprint, Hayne and Boyd are nearly the fastest players in the NRL.

Play Sam in the Halves and blood a new player at Fullback.




#38 dallymessenger

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 05:29 AM

cant be bothered finding the other thread but thurston is out with injury.

mitchell pearce or todd carney will be the aussie half back, or cronk

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 05:52 AM

QUOTE (st@yck @ Sep 27 2010, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just one problem, i think he is scottish wink.gif rolleyes.gif

No he isn't, he's from Dewsbury.... I believe that is in England. Plus he turned his back on Scotland after the World Cup, saying if you want to play in the big internationals, with no GB you have to choose England, so he has.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 06:58 AM

QUOTE (Storm @ Sep 29 2010, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No he isn't, he's from Dewsbury.... I believe that is in England. Plus he turned his back on Scotland after the World Cup, saying if you want to play in the big internationals, with no GB you have to choose England, so he has.

And he has switched back to Scotland again.
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