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#1 Emosi Koloto

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 12:43 AM

How does everyone access each English qualified players chances ?

Sam Tomkins - definite
Darrell Goulding - probably
Martin Gleeson - probably
Paul Deacon - with Eastmond out, he could be an outsider given his good kicking and passing game.
Sean O'Loughlin - definite
Joel Tomkins - definite
Liam Farrell - not just yet but one for the future.
Stuart Fielden - definite
Mick McIllorum - just misses out, wouldn't let anyone down.
Andy Coley - is worthy of a place, one of the form props.
Paul Prescott - just misses out, much improved.


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#2 steef

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 12:55 AM

Gleeson should go and should start, his stats put him as better than shenton and yeaman so for me he should partner Atkins in the centres for england. pretty much agree with all your other points.
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#3 Tex Evans Thigh

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:47 AM

Tomkins, Gleeson, O'Loughlin, Tomkins.

Maybe Deacon but prob not.

I like Goulding but he isnt as good as Hall or Bricoee, or Fox for that matter.

Fielden maybe, but i think people are more concerned with him being back to what he was which he never will be unfortunately. If he played in a suit this year so nobody knew who he was no one would be putting him forward. I think Coley and Prescott are as good if not better but i dont watch Wigan every week so maybe wigan fans can set me straight.

Not for this year but I think McIllorum could potentially be a top class hooker and Farrell will definately be an England player at some point.
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#4 Father Ted

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:04 PM

Sam and Joel Tomkins.
Gleeson,
Fielden, Coley
O'Loughlin.
All should be in.

Maybe's or one's for the future who may get on the plane but not play.
Farrell,
McIlorum,
Goulding.

#5 FrankDrebin

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (Emosi Koloto @ Oct 3 2010, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How does everyone access each English qualified players chances ?

Sam Tomkins - definite
Darrell Goulding - probably
Martin Gleeson - probably
Paul Deacon - with Eastmond out, he could be an outsider given his good kicking and passing game.
Sean O'Loughlin - definite
Joel Tomkins - definite
Liam Farrell - not just yet but one for the future.
Stuart Fielden - definite
Mick McIllorum - just misses out, wouldn't let anyone down.
Andy Coley - is worthy of a place, one of the form props.
Paul Prescott - just misses out, much improved.


Sorry, but for mine Farrell would definitely be on the plane. There aren't many forwards around who have the ability to constantly break the defensive line like he can. If he was Australian they'd have no qualms about sticking him in, regardless of his tender years. Good enough, old enough etc...

#6 hindle xiii

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:12 PM

Pretty much agree with all of the above. I dunno about Deacon, if he was fit then yes, but he didn't seem to be yesterday so perhaps not worth the risk.

Someone really needs to have a word with Joel Tomkins about his ill-discipline. There isn't the opportunity to be giving away needless penalties.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:14 PM

QUOTE (FrankDrebin @ Oct 3 2010, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, but for mine Farrell would definitely be on the plane. There aren't many forwards around who have the ability to constantly break the defensive line like he can. If he was Australian they'd have no qualms about sticking him in, regardless of his tender years. Good enough, old enough etc...

It's whether there are better players ahead of him, and there are. He could be taken as a squad player if there's room.

If you use "should of", "would of" or "could of", you are a moron.

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#8 Wendall

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Emosi Koloto @ Oct 3 2010, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How does everyone access each English qualified players chances ?

Sam Tomkins - definite
Darrell Goulding - probably
Martin Gleeson - probably
Paul Deacon - with Eastmond out, he could be an outsider given his good kicking and passing game.
Sean O'Loughlin - definite
Joel Tomkins - definite
Liam Farrell - not just yet but one for the future.
Stuart Fielden - definite
Mick McIllorum - just misses out, wouldn't let anyone down.
Andy Coley - is worthy of a place, one of the form props.
Paul Prescott - just misses out, much improved.


Agree apart from Deacon - been there and failed, Fielden - Not mentally strong enough, Coley - Not good enough for Tests.



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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Oct 3 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much agree with all of the above. I dunno about Deacon, if he was fit then yes, but he didn't seem to be yesterday so perhaps not worth the risk.

Someone really needs to have a word with Joel Tomkins about his ill-discipline. There isn't the opportunity to be giving away needless penalties.

He seems to have sorted that out in the last few weeks TBH. Think MM must have had a word following the 1st Leeds game, that was his last display of petulance. If he goes down under I'm sure the Ausies & Kiwis will have done their homework and try to wind him up.
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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Oct 3 2010, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's whether there are better players ahead of him, and there are. He could be taken as a squad player if there's room.


Sorry, but can't think of many English second-rowers who have impressed me more than him during the second-half of this season. Possibly Joel Tomkins, but he still strikes me as a slight liability in terms of discipline.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (FrankDrebin @ Oct 3 2010, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, but can't think of many English second-rowers who have impressed me more than him during the second-half of this season. Possibly Joel Tomkins, but he still strikes me as a slight liability in terms of discipline.


I find it a bit silly to be castigating Joel Tomkins for the one incident that he gave away a penalty last night, when in fact there was nothing to penalise him for in the first place.

He spent most of the game out in the centre and consequently turned in one of his lesser performances that I have seen from him, not at all impressive last night but would still be among the first names entered if I was picking the squad.

Goulding proved that he is equal to the task if selected and always recalling the performances of Hall V the Southern hemi crowd last year, I would be less than keen on extolling his capabilities taken out of his Leeds comfort zone.

Briscoe and Goulding would be my first choice for the wing spots, the Aussies will certainly take a good scud out of their G/F of those that impressed, we ought to do the same.

I have chosen Lunt but would be quite happy to see McIlorum instead along with Roby in the Hooker role.
Gleeson probably booked his seat too last night and maybe Fielden has done himself no harm on that showing also. Coley ( did he play the full 80?) is better than Lynch and should be considered strongly.

Lastly, Deacon well he did last night what we required from an England player in last years comp, kicked the opposition to death. I don't like to say it but the fact remains: we do not have another player in our entire
squad with a better even similar similar ability and, please do not give me Sinfield as a credible alternative!

#12 1976PMJwires

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:49 PM

1. Widdop
2. Briscoe
3. Atkins
4. Gleeson
5. Goulding
6. Tomkins
7. Really Not sure.... Myler, Burrows, Robinson or ??
8. Morley
9. Sinfield
10. Fielden
11. Ellis
12. Westwood
13. Lockers

14. Roby
15. Burgess...... Impact value and can play anywhere in the pack
16. Graham.... needs to change his attitude and mental issues (not the main man anymore)
17. Farrell................. he is ready to play now IMHO




I do have one controversial idea..... interested in opinions


Shaun Briscoe @ 1
Widdop @ 6
Sam the man @ 7

Any thoughts???




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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE (1976PMJwires @ Oct 3 2010, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Widdop
2. Briscoe
3. Atkins
4. Gleeson
5. Goulding
6. Tomkins
7. Really Not sure.... Myler, Burrows, Robinson or ??
8. Morley
9. Sinfield
10. Fielden
11. Ellis
12. Westwood
13. Lockers

14. Roby
15. Burgess...... Impact value and can play anywhere in the pack
16. Graham.... needs to change his attitude and mental issues (not the main man anymore)
17. Farrell................. he is ready to play now IMHO




I do have one controversial idea..... interested in opinions


Shaun Briscoe @ 1
Widdop @ 6
Sam the man @ 7

Any thoughts???


One thought. It's a stupid idea.

#14 1976PMJwires

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE (MattSantos @ Oct 3 2010, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thought. It's a stupid idea.




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so what would you do??

#15 MattSantos

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 04:02 PM

QUOTE (1976PMJwires @ Oct 3 2010, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks tongue.gif

so what would you do??


I'm still thinking.

For a start i wouldn't pick Tomkins at 7 as that would be like putting Morley on the wing. A stupid idea. Good chance McNamara may do it though!




#16 MattSantos

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 04:02 PM

QUOTE (1976PMJwires @ Oct 3 2010, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks tongue.gif

so what would you do??


I'm still thinking.

For a start i wouldn't pick Tomkins at 7 as that would be like putting Morley on the wing. A stupid idea. Good chance McNamara may do it though!




#17 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (MattSantos @ Oct 3 2010, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm still thinking.

For a start i wouldn't pick Tomkins at 7 as that would be like putting Morley on the wing. A stupid idea. Good chance McNamara may do it though!

It wouldn't be anything like putting Morley on the wing. Stand off and scrum half are extremely similar positions. It would be more like putting Morley in the second row, which he slots in to quite well.
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Posted 03 October 2010 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Wellsy4HullFC @ Oct 3 2010, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It wouldn't be anything like putting Morley on the wing. Stand off and scrum half are extremely similar positions. It would be more like putting Morley in the second row, which he slots in to quite well.


Nevermind.

It depends whether he wants to split the field and play Tomkins one side, someone else t'other. Either way, it'd be a mistake as Tomkins isn't a first receiver and never will be.


You can't just pick a 17 and say there, that's it. All the suggestions so far are pointless as they don't come with a plan.



#19 Blind side johnny

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 05:18 PM



Shame about Richards injury though. As the SL MoS he would surely have been a cert for the Aussie team.
















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#20 Derwent

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 06:45 PM

I'm surprised nobody is mentioning Mark Flanagan for the England team. From what I've seen this year he's had a pretty good year in the NRL and must surely be in contention.




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