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[Emosi Koloto]

http://www.dailytele...from=public_rss

and

http://www.nzherald....jectid=10682856

BTW, what Chris Rattue says about SL and it's imports is true.

[MrPosh]

Yeah, 'cos we're killing international league.

FFS, idiots.

[getdownmonkeyman]

Yeah, 'cos we're killing international league.

FFS, idiots.

By being an uncompetitive entity, indirectly, we are.

[dallymessenger]

Yeah, 'cos we're killing international league.

FFS, idiots.

its true.

australia love nothing more than to beat england, look at the cricket for that

because england have been useless for so long its lost interest for the RL public in australia

every year they get hyped up and every year they lose.

GB vs Roos game had a very proud history but post 1970 it went to dust.

[JohnM]

The reason there are so many imports is that there is not enough home grown talent.

The reason there is not enough home grown talent is that youngsters in their formative years are not being attracted by or into the game like they are in Australia.

The structures are in place, the competitions are in place etc. so that is not the problem.

Answer this though..why should anyone aged say 7 , 8, 9, 10 want to play rugby league when exposed to the blanket coverage of soccer, cricket, rugby union, basketball etc. etc. on teh spots programmes, chat shows, quizzes etc. RL offers scant reward compared with those sports.


At the other end of the argument, and given we are playing catch up, there should be special measures in place for the England team. We've tried all sorts of players, we've tried all sorts of coaches, but what we have not tried is an intensive and ling term term training programme.

Maybe the time has come to enter The English Lions into the NRL, just like the NZ Warriors.

[Trojan]

its true.

australia love nothing more than to beat england, look at the cricket for that

because england have been useless for so long its lost interest for the RL public in australia

every year they get hyped up and every year they lose.

GB vs Roos game had a very proud history but post 1970 it went to dust.

It's true that we're not as good as the Aussies. But it's also true that we never get a fair shake from Aussie refs. There was nothing wrong with the disallowed try on Saturday. It would have been given in the NRL and in SL. There was no real push just a bit of contact from both players. At 18-16 the whole complexion of the game could have changed. If the Aussies are as keen as you say for international games to regain their status then either the Aussies are going to have to stop refereeing England Australia games or your refs are going to have to be a bit more even handed.
I've never forgotten what happened to Ian Lucas in 1992. It was a cowardly unprovked attack that ended a promising player's career and there was no punishment meeted out to the culprit.

[JohnM]

I've never forgotten what happened to Ian Lucas in 1992. It was a cowardly unprovked attack that ended a promising player's career and there was no punishment meeted out to the culprit.

That was the most shameful of incidents an it is to the eternal shame of the RFL that they did not take legal action against his attacker: Paul Harragan, I believe, who is still making a living out of the game.

[LOWFIELD]

There right we are terrible, 15 years of super league for that showing Sat. But what do we expect when more than half the games are glorified friendlies,

[JohnM]

what do you mean. friendlies?

[MrPosh]

The day I see an Australian side with only Australians in is the day I will start to look to this side of the world for the ruining of international rugby.

[Dave T]

I don't get this 'ruining' international RL thing. We just aren't as good as the Kiwis and Aussies. It happens, some teams are better than others. It's okay saying we are doing all sorts wrong, and we all have opinions on what we could do better, but then the Aussies and Kiwis are hardly sitting still, we have to improve at a much faster rate than them, and that is easier said than done.

The fact is that the Aussies blame their lethargy over Test RL on us, yet Union doesn't have this hassle, and will always get more than 11k for a game against a lower nation (especially when you consider that plenty of those at Parramatta Stadium will have been there for the Tonga v Samoa game.

We don't sit around griping at France for being worse than us, or PNG for being ######. They need to stop moaning and get on with it and sell a few tickets.

[East Coast Tiger]

The day I see an Australian side with only Australians in is the day I will start to look to this side of the world for the ruining of international rugby.

Well you better start looking at that side of the world then.

[HappyDave]

Well said Dave T.

[dallymessenger]

It's true that we're not as good as the Aussies. But it's also true that we never get a fair shake from Aussie refs. There was nothing wrong with the disallowed try on Saturday. It would have been given in the NRL and in SL. There was no real push just a bit of contact from both players. At 18-16 the whole complexion of the game could have changed. If the Aussies are as keen as you say for international games to regain their status then either the Aussies are going to have to stop refereeing England Australia games or your refs are going to have to be a bit more even handed.
I've never forgotten what happened to Ian Lucas in 1992. It was a cowardly unprovked attack that ended a promising player's career and there was no punishment meeted out to the culprit.

yeah blame the refs for 30 years of failure

the basic reason is the decline in the english club game from the late 60s on

SL has turned it around but you arent going to fix 40 years of poor club deveopment overnight

SL has 6 really good clubs, it needs more.

import levels have to keep coming down, and by a lot.

until SL is on par with the nrl england wont compete regularly with australia

[dallymessenger]

The day I see an Australian side with only Australians in is the day I will start to look to this side of the world for the ruining of international rugby.

[humpy]

[until SL is on par with the nrl england wont compete regularly with australia
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Spot on !

[Hannibal]

Oh look, another thread full of Australians masturbating furiously.

[MrPosh]

Well you better start looking at that side of the world then.

Petero and Tuquiri aren't Australian. And that's without looking at the rest.

[dallymessenger]

Petero and Tuquiri aren't Australian. And that's without looking at the rest.

you should tell them that then.

you make the classic mistake english RL fan re australians assuming they all have white skin

petero and lote chose the roos.
they live in australia and are australian citizens.

stop talking garbage

[Trojan]

yeah blame the refs for 30 years of failure

the basic reason is the decline in the english club game from the late 60s on

SL has turned it around but you arent going to fix 40 years of poor club deveopment overnight

SL has 6 really good clubs, it needs more.

import levels have to keep coming down, and by a lot.

until SL is on par with the nrl england wont compete regularly with australia

If you read my post you'll see that the first sentence is that the Aussies are better than us. Aussie refs. however, are very biased. I firmly believe that had the ref for the 2008 World Cup Final been anyone else but Ashley Klein, Lockyer's dropped ball try would have stood, and the rake out of the ball would have been called a knock-on, NZ's obstruction try probably wouldn't have been awarded either.
TBH I don't agree with you about Super League. In the early nineties we were getting there. In 1990 only a contoversial refereeing decision caused us to lose the series at Old Trafford. (no not an Aussie ref) We were that close to beating Australia in a series. In 1992 at Wembley we came pretty close to winning the World Cup. Same in 1995. The change in seasons has hampered our development. In the late eighties and early nineties many of our top players were playing off season in Australia and it showed in our improvement internationally. Plus of course the plethora of "ordinary" Aussies thoughout the British Leagues prevents our homegrown products from getting their chance, and they pack it in, or go and play another sport.
The other factor of course is soccer. Ryan Giggs is the prime example. His father played RL for Swinton. He was quite a promising RL player himself. But he was also a more than useful soccer player and when Man U come calling, if you've any sense you don't turn them down. If you're a better than average sportsman in the UK, you can make more money playing even in the lower leagues of soccer than you can in Super League. If you're really good you could be earning £200k per week like Wayne Rooney.