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#41 Steve May

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:54 AM

QUOTE (John Drake @ Nov 11 2010, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Things are not always as they seem. His latest blog post is worth a read.

"You may not believe this from my hideous omnipresence but my preferred number of publicity assignments is exactly zero. If I could get away with NO radio interviews, NO magazine profiles, NO television chat shows, NO bookshop signings, NO stage events then I would. All those who know me and work with me will confirm this. I am a very very reluctant mule when it comes to these awful moments of necessary negotiation with the publicity people attached to books and films and TV series. “Must I?”, “Oh god please let me off…”, “Surely I’m don’t need to do this?” I am as aware as you and as aware as the battalions of people who clearly loathe the sight and sound of me that my media presence can appear to be ubiquitous, overexposed and entirely de trop."

Read the whole thing, this is just a snippet.


If he feels that way he could always stop doing any of it.

He has enough of a name that he could do nothing but write books and they would still sell.
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE (Just Browny @ Nov 5 2010, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The French are fortunate in that their nation's intellectuals are regularly given plenty of air-time to hold intelligent debate across TV, radio and the written press. Our intellectuals are given a laptop and access to Wikipedia so they can brief a pompous windbag in an attempt to make it look like he knows everything.



Here is a view from a someone actually on the spot in France, someone who lives and works there, a French citizen with remarkable English as his profession is translation.


TV : There are a number of programmes which debate current affairs. The invitees are not what I would consider “intellectuals” but people such as journalists (mostly left of centre and anti-Sarkozy), authors and specialists in the field being debated, such as politicians, economists, the head of the IPSOS the national survey institute etc .... You regularly see the same Parisian clique of “pseudo-intellectuals” on all the programmes, so it gets a tad repetitive. France has a “thing” about writers and authors (a relatively closed French language market so there is less quality competition) so everybody writes a book. Bernard-Henri Lévy is a modern day philosopher who is THE intellectual in France. Do not forget that all French kids study Philosophy in their last year at school and sit an examination for their Bac. Most kids (and parents) think it is a waste of time and money, but the teaching fraternity and the state use it as a tool to perpetuate France’s image as THE country of culture (eg a famous contemporary politician once said after admitting that English was THE global language: “English might be the language of business but French is the language of culture”. The height of intellectual recognition is the Academie Francaise which has 40 members, and when one dies the others elect a replacement. Where the UK created quangos France creates “Institutes” which cover all and any subject: try French googling. They have budgets, buildings, staff and nice salaries and perks. “Business” in all forms make financial contributions, whether wholly legal or not!! They have become the “French expert opinions” concerning their specific field, which includes them as intellectuals over here. But are they???

Radio: the above repeats itself for Radio. This medium has more heated debate and comment than TV as the spoken word has less emotional impact than when you see something happening. Again the cleavage left/right is pre-eminent. Most of the scandalous comments are made on the radio. Some would be taken to court in the UK. There are quite a few “phone-in “ programmes which cover a wide range of topics, and they can get quite heated. They can also be rude and offensive. For example, after the Peking Olympics, one well known sports commentator said, and I quote “ I heard, and this is not my opinion but I heard someone else say it, that the English track cyclists were doped. There is no way they can come from no medals four years ago and win so many gold medals when the French team that are strictly controlled and have dominated the sport, haven’t won any”.

The written press: in France has re-invented the tenet “the freedom of the press” to mean that they can write absolutely, and I mean absolutely anything without any proof whatsoever; it could be what they overheard in a bar the night before!! They ferociously defend the anonymity their sources, so the truth will never out. If anyone tries to unearth the truth, the industry closes ranks and screams “foul” how dare you question our integrity, for example the recent spat with the government about phone tapping and the scandal of the Princess Diana reporting. This also comes from the fact that there are very few decent newspapers in France. There are of course local newspapers which are different as they have no competition. The nationals are all from Paris and suffer from very obvious political bias and, Again, cliquiness!!!. The French like their magazines, in fact they invented the “top people mags” like /gala etc, my mother-in-law knows more about the royal families in Europe than anyone I have ever met!!

In general topical discussion in the media in France is not really intellectual, it involves the same participants and can suffer from chronic “nombrilisme”!!! I’ll leave you to make an adequate intellectual translation of that wonderful gallic word.


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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:10 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Nov 12 2010, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here is a view from a someone actually on the spot in France, someone who lives and works there, a French citizen with remarkable English as his profession is translation.


TV : There are a number of programmes which debate current affairs. The invitees are not what I would consider “intellectuals” but people such as journalists (mostly left of centre and anti-Sarkozy), authors and specialists in the field being debated, such as politicians, economists, the head of the IPSOS the national survey institute etc .... You regularly see the same Parisian clique of “pseudo-intellectuals” on all the programmes, so it gets a tad repetitive. France has a “thing” about writers and authors (a relatively closed French language market so there is less quality competition) so everybody writes a book. Bernard-Henri Lévy is a modern day philosopher who is THE intellectual in France. Do not forget that all French kids study Philosophy in their last year at school and sit an examination for their Bac. Most kids (and parents) think it is a waste of time and money, but the teaching fraternity and the state use it as a tool to perpetuate France’s image as THE country of culture (eg a famous contemporary politician once said after admitting that English was THE global language: “English might be the language of business but French is the language of culture”. The height of intellectual recognition is the Academie Francaise which has 40 members, and when one dies the others elect a replacement. Where the UK created quangos France creates “Institutes” which cover all and any subject: try French googling. They have budgets, buildings, staff and nice salaries and perks. “Business” in all forms make financial contributions, whether wholly legal or not!! They have become the “French expert opinions” concerning their specific field, which includes them as intellectuals over here. But are they???

Radio: the above repeats itself for Radio. This medium has more heated debate and comment than TV as the spoken word has less emotional impact than when you see something happening. Again the cleavage left/right is pre-eminent. Most of the scandalous comments are made on the radio. Some would be taken to court in the UK. There are quite a few “phone-in “ programmes which cover a wide range of topics, and they can get quite heated. They can also be rude and offensive. For example, after the Peking Olympics, one well known sports commentator said, and I quote “ I heard, and this is not my opinion but I heard someone else say it, that the English track cyclists were doped. There is no way they can come from no medals four years ago and win so many gold medals when the French team that are strictly controlled and have dominated the sport, haven’t won any”.

The written press: in France has re-invented the tenet “the freedom of the press” to mean that they can write absolutely, and I mean absolutely anything without any proof whatsoever; it could be what they overheard in a bar the night before!! They ferociously defend the anonymity their sources, so the truth will never out. If anyone tries to unearth the truth, the industry closes ranks and screams “foul” how dare you question our integrity, for example the recent spat with the government about phone tapping and the scandal of the Princess Diana reporting. This also comes from the fact that there are very few decent newspapers in France. There are of course local newspapers which are different as they have no competition. The nationals are all from Paris and suffer from very obvious political bias and, Again, cliquiness!!!. The French like their magazines, in fact they invented the “top people mags” like /gala etc, my mother-in-law knows more about the royal families in Europe than anyone I have ever met!!

In general topical discussion in the media in France is not really intellectual, it involves the same participants and can suffer from chronic “nombrilisme”!!! I’ll leave you to make an adequate intellectual translation of that wonderful gallic word.


Interesting, but it sounds rather like someone upset that left-wing views also get an airing. I am guessing the chap's politics, but I am guessing he thinks the Economist and BBC are part of a left wing cabal.

I have heard from various English people in France that it is refreshing that people can be openly intellectual. Of course, that means the few are added to by chancers, whereas in England Intellectuals pretend not to be.

That said, from my limited insight (talking to Parisians and non-Parisians) I can believe the French media is more Paris-centric than ours is London-centric.
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:18 PM

You are right. You are guessing..and wrongly. too. Wedgie Benn would be regarded as a right winger in France.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:34 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Nov 12 2010, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here is a view from a someone actually on the spot in France, someone who lives and works there, a French citizen with remarkable English as his profession is translation.


TV : There are a number of programmes which debate current affairs. The invitees are not what I would consider “intellectuals” but people such as journalists (mostly left of centre and anti-Sarkozy), authors and specialists in the field being debated, such as politicians, economists, the head of the IPSOS the national survey institute etc .... You regularly see the same Parisian clique of “pseudo-intellectuals” on all the programmes, so it gets a tad repetitive. France has a “thing” about writers and authors (a relatively closed French language market so there is less quality competition) so everybody writes a book. Bernard-Henri Lévy is a modern day philosopher who is THE intellectual in France. Do not forget that all French kids study Philosophy in their last year at school and sit an examination for their Bac. Most kids (and parents) think it is a waste of time and money, but the teaching fraternity and the state use it as a tool to perpetuate France’s image as THE country of culture (eg a famous contemporary politician once said after admitting that English was THE global language: “English might be the language of business but French is the language of culture”. The height of intellectual recognition is the Academie Francaise which has 40 members, and when one dies the others elect a replacement. Where the UK created quangos France creates “Institutes” which cover all and any subject: try French googling. They have budgets, buildings, staff and nice salaries and perks. “Business” in all forms make financial contributions, whether wholly legal or not!! They have become the “French expert opinions” concerning their specific field, which includes them as intellectuals over here. But are they???

Radio: the above repeats itself for Radio. This medium has more heated debate and comment than TV as the spoken word has less emotional impact than when you see something happening. Again the cleavage left/right is pre-eminent. Most of the scandalous comments are made on the radio. Some would be taken to court in the UK. There are quite a few “phone-in “ programmes which cover a wide range of topics, and they can get quite heated. They can also be rude and offensive. For example, after the Peking Olympics, one well known sports commentator said, and I quote “ I heard, and this is not my opinion but I heard someone else say it, that the English track cyclists were doped. There is no way they can come from no medals four years ago and win so many gold medals when the French team that are strictly controlled and have dominated the sport, haven’t won any”.

The written press: in France has re-invented the tenet “the freedom of the press” to mean that they can write absolutely, and I mean absolutely anything without any proof whatsoever; it could be what they overheard in a bar the night before!! They ferociously defend the anonymity their sources, so the truth will never out. If anyone tries to unearth the truth, the industry closes ranks and screams “foul” how dare you question our integrity, for example the recent spat with the government about phone tapping and the scandal of the Princess Diana reporting. This also comes from the fact that there are very few decent newspapers in France. There are of course local newspapers which are different as they have no competition. The nationals are all from Paris and suffer from very obvious political bias and, Again, cliquiness!!!. The French like their magazines, in fact they invented the “top people mags” like /gala etc, my mother-in-law knows more about the royal families in Europe than anyone I have ever met!!

In general topical discussion in the media in France is not really intellectual, it involves the same participants and can suffer from chronic “nombrilisme”!!! I’ll leave you to make an adequate intellectual translation of that wonderful gallic word.


Well, that's me told then. An anonymous right-wing chap with views astonishingly close to your own seems to have an issue with the left-wing cabal, and therefore my entire premise is smashed. Gutted.

Any other sources - perhaps something from the Daily Mail? rolleyes.gif

Astute analysis from a Wigan fan:

Rumour going around Headingley that Wire will have to play the second half with 12 men.

It seems that they forgot to bring the half time oranges, and Solomona ate Chris Bridge instead.

Don't know why he was hungry, as he looked as though he had eaten the whole youth team before the game started.


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Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Nov 12 2010, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are right. You are guessing..and wrongly. too. Wedgie Benn would be regarded as a right winger in France.


Oooh!

Hark at her!

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Edited by Bob8, 12 November 2010 - 09:27 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:28 PM

QUOTE (Just Browny @ Nov 12 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, that's me told then. An anonymous right-wing chap with views astonishingly close to your own seems to have an issue with the left-wing cabal, and therefore my entire premise is smashed. Gutted.

Any other sources - perhaps something from the Daily Mail? rolleyes.gif


It is our fault. We should have just listened to him rather than having any thoughts.
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (Just Browny @ Nov 12 2010, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, that's me told then. An anonymous right-wing chap with views astonishingly close to your own seems to have an issue with the left-wing cabal, and therefore my entire premise is smashed. Gutted.

Any other sources - perhaps something from the Daily Mail? rolleyes.gif



I present an informed view from a French national who lives and works there, you make an unsubstantiated assertion. Poor stuff from you, really.

1. You are anonymous, too.
2. He is not right wing.
3. You don't know what I think. You only know what I write and then you make your own unique and lazy interpretation
4. His views are not close to mine, either astonishingly otherwise.
5. Anyone with any sense would have an issue with a left wing cabal.
6. If someone has smashed your premise, then go to the police.
7. What has the Daily Mail to do with it?



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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE (Bob8 @ Nov 12 2010, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is our fault. We should have just listened to him rather than having any thoughts.


Well, yes, actually. You'll find it saves you from being wrong.




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Posted 14 November 2010 - 01:48 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Nov 13 2010, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, yes, actually. You'll find it saves you from being wrong.


I stated I could be wrong, but I said how it appeared. It did appear that way.

Rather than giving the impression you are upset by someone reading your posts, please cite it or say who it is, it really would give a better context, particularly as the author is how you describe.

Edited by Bob8, 14 November 2010 - 01:52 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 08:03 PM

Fry and Laurie Reunited

A documentary/interview on the GOLD channel, Wednesday 24th November 9pm.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 12:02 PM

QUOTE (Bob8 @ Nov 14 2010, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I stated I could be wrong, but I said how it appeared. It did appear that way.

Rather than giving the impression you are upset by someone reading your posts, please cite it or say who it is, it really would give a better context, particularly as the author is how you describe.


I don't do impressions. I'll leave that to you.




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