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[sam]

they don't have to target anywhere 'big', another warrington and the country would go into meltdown.

[ckn]

On the subject of the MP in question, he stuck this on his Twitter feed about an hour ago: "There are many reasons we lost power. I was not one of them."

Fairly typical attitude of many in the party: Labour lost entirely because of Gordon Brown, not one other person in the party should share the blame and no-one else needs to change.

[Northern Sol]

they don't have to target anywhere 'big', another warrington and the country would go into meltdown.

Warrington would, the rest of the country wouldn't.

30 years of IRA bombs didn't make the country go into meltdown, that's one of the reasons why Al Qaeda behave differently.

[Millman]

If terrorists built another town like Warrington, then it'd scare those living nearby for sure.

[Northern Sol]

I mentioned B&Q as somewhere you can buy components very easily way beyond safe limits.

Also, I didn't mean Keighley B&Q as a target, that'd be silly. Just think how busy any major city's train station is at 8:30am or 5:30pm. What about outside a football ground at 2:45 on a Saturday. Lakeside shopping centre has 500,000 visitors per week and is packed out on Saturdays and Sundays, especially coming up to Christmas. I could go on for hours about places that would guarantee front page coverage for weeks for even the tiniest of bombs with no casualties.

However, you are failing to understand the mentality of AQ and their supporters. They want tangible victories over highly symbolic targets such as the Pentagon. It would be easier to bomb a WallMart in some remote town but it would be of little benefit to them.

Edit (hit post too early): Causing death is a secondary objective of a terrorist bomb, causing terror is the primary objective. You can only kill someone once, you can however terrorise a population repeatedly into changing their way of life to suit your goals.

Al Qaeda's goals are to turn to us into Muslims and insanely radical ones at that. That and they wish to drive Westerners and Western influence out of the Middle East. Unless we all convert (and I won't be) or switch to electric cars then I don't see how there is any kind of victory in it for them.

The idea that we shouldn't adopt modest security reforms because "that's what they want" is utterly absurd. There would be a better case for saying that we should all drive gas-guzzlers to stop Al Qaeda gaining a victory. Even that would be insane.

When you stop doing what you want to do and simply do the thing that your enemies don't want you to do then you have given up on freedom.

Edited by Northern Sol, 08 November 2010 - 01:42 PM.

[bowes]

We have weekly news of stopped attacks so something needs doing

[Millman]

We have weekly news of stopped attacks so something needs doing

Less news perhaps?

[Bedford Roughyed]

We have weekly news of stopped attacks so something needs doing

We also have numerous high profile raids in the news.

Followed soon after by less publicised releases without charge.

[gingerjon]

We also have numerous high profile raids in the news.

Followed soon after by less publicised releases without charge.

Those students in Manchester who had their computers hauled away because they were packed full of photos, bomb plans etc etc

No bomb plans, photos or anything useful were found.

They were flung out for breaking visa rules, not for being terrorists.

For example.

[Bedford Roughyed]

Those students in Manchester who had their computers hauled away because they were packed full of photos, bomb plans etc etc

No bomb plans, photos or anything useful were found.

They were flung out for breaking visa rules, not for being terrorists.

For example.

Or the Old trafford bomb plot where the evidence was that they had tickets for a match...and they was muslim...

[bowes]

Less news perhaps?

If you want to die from ignorance

[Bedford Roughyed]

If you want to die from ignorance

With the state of modern newspapers and 24 hour news, I doubt it willmake much of a difference.

[Millman]

If you want to die from ignorance

You are John Hurt and I claim my aids ridden condom.

[bowes]

With the state of modern newspapers and 24 hour news, I doubt it willmake much of a difference.

Yes but if there were less news like he said then there wouldn't be them

[bowes]

Those students in Manchester who had their computers hauled away because they were packed full of photos, bomb plans etc etc

No bomb plans, photos or anything useful were found.

They were flung out for breaking visa rules, not for being terrorists.

For example.

Though what about the synagogue bound printer bombs that were intercepted of the Marseille extremists who got raided and were stocked up to the ears with machine guns (part of a plot to get us, France and Germany)...

Or so it's not just about Muslims, the Greek Communists who recently sent a load of mail bombs (though on that occasion not to us) and Northern Ireland has been getting worse

Edited by bowes, 08 November 2010 - 06:45 PM.

[T-Dub]

You can only kill someone once, you can however terroriseirritate a population repeatedly into changing their way of life to suit your goals.

Like trying to travel through any airport in the western world since the shoe/liquid/Glasgow kamikaze bombers

[Northern Sol]

We also have numerous high profile raids in the news.

Followed soon after by less publicised releases without charge.

Not always. Some people actually do get charged and end up in prison.

[Northern Sol]

Those students in Manchester who had their computers hauled away because they were packed full of photos, bomb plans etc etc

No bomb plans, photos or anything useful were found.

They were flung out for breaking visa rules, not for being terrorists.

For example.

Then they don't have much grounds for complaint. Students entering UK universities on dodgy visas are a potential security threat; particularly if they are studying something like Chemistry which could be applied to bomb making. These particular ones might not have been a risk but others are. Had these particular students been legit then that would have been different.

Edited by Northern Sol, 08 November 2010 - 07:40 PM.

[skep155]

An MP said that today on twitter...guess the party?

Generally I value liberty more than security, but it's easy to say that when you haven't lived in a country that resembles something out of Mad Max. Try asking a Somali "what concerns you most? Having your family home blown up by a mortar shell and your youngest child blasted into mush...again, or people being imprisoned without trial."

[gingerjon]

Or so it's not just about Muslims, the Greek Communists who recently sent a load of mail bombs (though on that occasion not to us) and Northern Ireland has been getting worse

And just to repeat this part - my understanding is (and I can't find the reference now) that of the apparent stopped attacks that the majority would have been carried out by people identified as White Christians.