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[Marauder]

Out of curiosity what was your pay spent on while you were serving that you actually lost money?



I agree, all workplace/work-related injuries and deaths should be covered by the employer in their insurance policy.

Troops who were normally stationed in W Germany received a overseas allowance, N Ireland was classed as a home posting.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

Troops who were normally stationed in W Germany received a overseas allowance, N Ireland was classed as a home posting.

seems fair enough to me: exchange rate, cost of different commodities and N Ireland is in the UK
so how were you out of pocket?

[Wolford6]

Behaviour not normal? I would agree that transexuals are relatively rare but I wouldn't use the term normal, neither would I use the word 'behaviour'. Unless of course her behaviour has been a little odd.

I bet your students think you are a bundle of fun.

[Millman]

Troops who were normally stationed in W Germany received a overseas allowance, N Ireland was classed as a home posting.

Don't you think it'd have been odd to class Ulster not as a home posting?

Edited by Millman, 10 November 2010 - 09:03 PM.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

at 11:00 tomorrow I will stop work for a moment to have my personal thoughts

me too

[Just Browny]

anyways, back OT

It's a shame that they aren't covered....and it's a personal choice to contribute...and at 11:00 tomorrow I will stop work for a moment to have my personal thoughts

Yep, me too. Had a walk round the memorial in Blackpool last Saturday and had a good think.

Ckn's posts on the subject are interesting and I do think we need a massive rethink on how we do things from a military point of view, even to the point where our need for armed forces should be discussed and debated fairly.

Off-topic, Wolford's thread the other day was disgusting and excludes him or her from any sort of judgement on who is jaundiced or not.

[Marauder]

seems fair enough to me: exchange rate, cost of different commodities and N Ireland is in the UK
so how were you out of pocket?

Wives, children & anything on HP were still in W Germany.

[Marauder]

Don't you think it'd have been odd to class Ulster not as a home posting?

No i don't but 1,117 dead British Security forces may do.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

No i don't but 1,117 dead British Security forces may do.

northern ireland is in the uk. Thousands of british civilians died and were maimed also.
I'm not sure how the differing pay rates for different areas of operations of the british army contributes to a discussion about' buying' poppies.

today is armistice day
at 11 am I will have a quiet moment of reflection about the experiences of two generations of my family and the effect of those experiences had on them and the rest of their generations.

Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 11 November 2010 - 07:45 AM.

[Millman]

Off-topic, Wolford's thread the other day was disgusting and excludes him or her from any sort of judgement on who is jaundiced or not.

I don't agree, he/she should still have a right to an opinion. Although I'd love to know what part of my postings on this thread led him/her to draw that conclusion.

[Severus]

I bet your students think you are a bundle of fun.

Great contribution, nice one

[Millman]

And you really thought it out, my son has just returned (last Saturday) minus two very good friends.

I'm sorry for his loss. However how does that either add to the debate or answer the question that I raised to you?

[RP London]

You'd be wrong on that point. I was very careful not to use the end of WWII as the end of conscription as I wasn't entirely sure when it ended, and didn't really want to divert the debate (or look up all the other conflicts). That's why I said "those soldiers that have been in conflicts post conscription have made a professional choice to do so". I could have been cleare though.

Pretty much all charities are worthy causes. Seeing them fight it out in highly organised marketing campaigns for donations from Joe Public is degrading for everybody involved.

not a case of being clearer.. the point was that for many of the conflicts pre the 1970s that led to casualties and are supported by the poppy appeal they werent just professional soldiers which is what you said. not a case of looking up the other conflicts this is general knowedlge that national service was compulsory and sent people to war zones.. not trying to divert the thread but make the point that it is only very very recently (relativly) that they are purely pro soldiers.. your argument was that pro soldiers make the choice.. that is very new and i dont disagree but there are people that are 70 who have 20+ years potentially left in them who were forced to fight.. or at least go to war zones.

[Millman]

not a case of being clearer.. the point was that for many of the conflicts pre the 1970s that led to casualties and are supported by the poppy appeal they werent just professional soldiers which is what you said. not a case of looking up the other conflicts this is general knowedlge that national service was compulsory and sent people to war zones.. not trying to divert the thread but make the point that it is only very very recently (relativly) that they are purely pro soldiers.. your argument was that pro soldiers make the choice.. that is very new and i dont disagree but there are people that are 70 who have 20+ years potentially left in them who were forced to fight.. or at least go to war zones.

Fair enough. It'd be interesting to understand the scale of the numbers involved. I think you're about right with the age thing too, as my uncle missed national service and he's 68/69 which would mean that for about 50 years we have professional forces (?).

You like an argument RP London, but 50 or so years is not exactly recent.

[marklaspalmas]

My dad was in the last year of those forced to waste two years of his life on national service. He started in 1955. He was sent to Germany to type letters. He's 74 now, and those lost two years still rankle.

[RP London]

Fair enough. It'd be interesting to understand the scale of the numbers involved. I think you're about right with the age thing too, as my uncle missed national service and he's 68/69 which would mean that for about 50 years we have professional forces (?).

You like an argument RP London, but 50 or so years is not exactly recent.

but the point being that they are now in the most expensive period of their life for healthcare, general care etc.. (i did point out they are in their 70's but 70 isnt what it once was)...

its not that i like an argument.. i dont like misrepresentation especially on this sort of thing where i have one side of myfamily very military centric (uncle ex Air Cmdr, cousin a Mjr and cousin in law a Colonol) and family friends who did national service out in Korea and were not best pleased and would have been quite angry with the idea that they were professinal soldiers and made a consicous decision.

[Millman]

but the point being that they are now in the most expensive period of their life for healthcare, general care etc.. (i did point out they are in their 70's but 70 isnt what it once was)...

its not that i like an argument.. i dont like misrepresentation especially on this sort of thing where i have one side of myfamily very military centric (uncle ex Air Cmdr, cousin a Mjr and cousin in law a Colonol) and family friends who did national service out in Korea and were not best pleased and would have been quite angry with the idea that they were professinal soldiers and made a consicous decision.

Which is exactly why I drew the distinction between professionals and those conscripted, perhaps I should have gone to the trouble of listing your family members who were on national service by name? If you don't like misrepresentation, then don't misrepresent what I've written.

[JohnM]

My dad was in the last year of those forced to waste two years of his life on national service. He started in 1955. He was sent to Germany to type letters. He's 74 now, and those lost two years still rankle.

But I bet he can't half type!!!

I've heard the same said but also I've heard that it was a valuable experience, too.

[RP London]

Which is exactly why I drew the distinction between professionals and those conscripted, perhaps I should have gone to the trouble of listing your family members who were on national service by name? If you don't like misrepresentation, then don't misrepresent what I've written.

for someone who claims i seem to like an argument!

i'm not misrepresenting anything.. but conscription and national service are not the same thing.

hey ho.. here we go.. i'm not posting for a while after today so i'll just leave it there..

(oh and hte bit about listing family members.. grow up.. petty little remarks.. normal really for the board of late)

[Millman]

i'm not misrepresenting anything.. but conscription and national service are not the same thing.

There you go again. Looking for an argument. My point was always about those that chose to join and potentially go into conflicts, and those that didn't. You're bright enough to know that, don't pretend otherwise.