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[maxwel]

Does anyone have the full disciplinary results please. These reults should be posted for all to see by the NCL committee every month on this web site what do you think? Or do they and i dont know where to look.

[SAINT33]

NATIONAL CONFERENCE LEAGUE

Minutes of the Discipline Committee Meeting

At the Leigh Miners Welfare Sports Club on Tuesday 9th November 2010


Ref No Name DOB Club Match Date Representatives Nature of Offence Decision Fine Suspension Starts Appeal
ID No

27 Bottom Matthew 34056 Leigh Miners Rangers 23rd Oct 2010 P Townsend (Sec) Running In & Punching Guilty £100 20 11 2010 Yes
02 01 86 5 Matches

28 Saddleworth Rangers 23rd Oct 2010 P Townsend (Sec) Brawl Guilty £125 Not Applicable No


29 Leigh Miners Rangers 23rd Oct 2010 S Farrell (Committee) Brawl Guilty £125 Not Applicable No


30 Muir James 34121 Leigh Miners Rangers 23rd Oct S Farrell (Committee) Running In & Punching Guilty £100 20 11 2010 Yes
04 08 88 2010 J Muir (Player) 5 Matches

31 Caldwell Nicholas 12302 York Acorn 23rd Oct A Grant (Sec) Running In & Punching Guilty £100 20 11 2010 Yes
05 01 83 2010 N Caldwell (Player) DVD Recording 5 Matches


32 Riley Martin 70585 Wigan 23rd Oct R Dootson (H Coach) Running In & Punching Guilty £100 20 11 2010 Yes
16 01 82 St Jude’s 2010 M Riley (Player) DVD Recording 5 Matches


33 Ainscough Ryan 35251 Wigan 23rd Oct 2010 R Dootson (H Coach) Running In & Punching Guilty £100 20 11 2010 Yes
12 01 88 St Jude’s R Ainscough (Player) DVD Recording 8 Matches


34 York Acorn 23rd Oct 2010 A Grant (Sec) Brawl Guilty £125 Not Applicable Yes
DVD Recording


35 Wigan 23rd Oct 2010 R Dootson (H Coach) Brawl Guilty £125 Not Applicable Yes
St Jude’s DVD Recording


36 Lewis Brendan 26653 Skirlaugh 23rd Oct 2010 Not Contested Running In & Punching Guilty £100 Immediately No
09 06 85 DVD Recording 6 Matches


37 Skirlaugh 23rd Oct 2010 Not Contested Brawl Guilty £125 Not Applicable No
DVD Recording


38 Thatto Heath Crusaders 23rd October 2010 Not Contested Brawl Guilty £125 Not Applicable No
DVD Recording

39 Skirlaugh 23rd Oct 2010 Not Contested Post Match FAL to Referee by Spectators Guilty
Club to Display Warning Notices in Match Day Programmes £100 Not Applicable No


40 Priestley Jason 38323 East Leeds 23rd Oct Not Contested Conduct Warranting Dismissal Guilty £40 20 11 2010 No
25 12 88 2010 2 Matches


41 Pearson Cayci 13919 Elland 23rd Oct 2010 (C Radcliffe (Comm) Conduct Warranting Dismissal Guilty Nil Not Applicable Yes
24 12 89 C Pearson (Player) SOS


42 Johannessen Ashley 21683 East Hull 9th Oct 2010 FAL to Referee No
14 05 86 Not Contested + Cautions for Same Offence Guilty £100 Not Applicable
8 Matches

043 Hadfield Nathan 60159 Shaw Cross Sharks 16th Oct B Richardson (Comm) Conduct Warranting Dismissal Guilty Nil Not Applicable Yes
14 12 87 2010 N Hadfield (Player) SOS


044 Tomlinson Luke 94487 East Leeds 16th Oct 2010 Not Contested Head Butt Guilty £100 Not Applicable No
24 10 90 5 Matches


045 Mawson Ben 104487 Castleford Lock Lane 16th Oct 2010 Letter of Mitigation Punching Guilty £20 20 11 2010 No
16 10 2010 Not Contested 1 Match

046 Leigh East Discipline Charter
ARLFC Reaching 40 Accrued Points Threshold Guilty £40 No


047 Leigh Miners Rangers ARLFC Discipline Charter
Reaching 40 Accrued Points Threshold Guilty £40 No


048 West Hull Selecting and Fielding in NCL 2
ARLFC Un-Registered Players Guilty £200 No
Insurance Invalidated
Rule 15.3

049
Waterhead ARLFC Selecting and Fielding in NCL 2
Un-Registered Players Guilty £200 No
Insurance Invalidated
Rule 15.3


050 Saddleworth Rangers ARLFC 16th Oct 2010 Official Team Sheet Irregularity
Incorrect Numbering Guilty £50 No

[tp321]

Disgusting, over £2200 in fines for amateur sports clubs. Most clubs are struggling financially and these disciplinaries just seem like a licence to print money and keep lads out of the game. Punch ups happen in the pro game, how many of them players get fined and banned for 5 and 6 games?

[mr chairman]

Disgusting, over £2200 in fines for amateur sports clubs. Most clubs are struggling financially and these disciplinaries just seem like a licence to print money and keep lads out of the game. Punch ups happen in the pro game, how many of them players get fined and banned for 5 and 6 games?

i have to agree the player gets banned and the club gets fined . in these financial times it should be no fines but points deduction or a ban for the player . the fines are ott many leagues have bank accounts that the RBS would be proud of

[tim2]

i have to agree the player gets banned and the club gets fined . in these financial times it should be no fines but points deduction or a ban for the player . the fines are ott many leagues have bank accounts that the RBS would be proud of

The fines are brutal and as a club chairman myself I sympathise with you, although I don't sympathise too much with clubs whose speccies are out of control and who play unregistered players.

Punch ups do happen, when it's one-on-one it's often just a yellow each. Full on brawls and running in to a fight and throwing punches should be harshly dealt with in my opinion.

Actually the pros get off lightly - I would increase their bans and fines if I was in charge (which isn't going to happen). I saw an off-the-ball challenge last season in a pro game that got the player 4 games that would have got triple that in the NCL.

[hairywombat]

although I don't sympathise too much with clubs whose speccies are out of control.

How do you stop someone behind the barrier, who you've maybe never seen before, shouting insults at the touchjudge or referee? If your team play in a closed off stadium you might have a chance by not allowing any potential troublemakers in. ( How do you spot them if you don't know them.) If like a lot of clubs you play on a public park or similar, it's impossible.
Some of the tossers in the middle want shouting at anyway, it used to be part and parcel of the game for the crowd of the (usually) losing side to abuse the officials, who just used to take it in their stride, and even smile. How times change.

[tim2]

although I don't sympathise too much with clubs whose speccies are out of control.

How do you stop someone behind the barrier, who you've maybe never seen before, shouting insults at the touchjudge or referee? If your team play in a closed off stadium you might have a chance by not allowing any potential troublemakers in. ( How do you spot them if you don't know them.) If like a lot of clubs you play on a public park or similar, it's impossible.
Some of the tossers in the middle want shouting at anyway, it used to be part and parcel of the game for the crowd of the (usually) losing side to abuse the officials, who just used to take it in their stride, and even smile. How times change.

I didn't say shouting at the ref, I meant getting on the pitch and getting involved in fights or chasing after / threatening the officials. Properly out of control.

Even then, it's difficult at some places, like Dockers for example.

[TheDuke]

does anyone keep records of previous years dicipline records?

i wonder if any increase in fines has anything to do with the decision to allow sub standard referees to officiate high level games which are clearly far too fast for some of them (a few are on the heavy side)

[mr chairman]

does anyone keep records of previous years dicipline records?

i wonder if any increase in fines has anything to do with the decision to allow sub standard referees to officiate high level games which are clearly far too fast for some of them (a few are on the heavy side)

david lowe as records that go back years on diciplinary, lots of clubs are at crisis point reg funds some thing as got to be done reg the amount on fines , is this there only means of funding if so its wrong , some regional junior leagues have up to 20k in the bank , thats not right. lets see their books and see how much they got through sponsorship and what they got in fines . one last point do refs declare their earnings from amatuer games to the IR

[tim2]

david lowe as records that go back years on diciplinary, lots of clubs are at crisis point reg funds some thing as got to be done reg the amount on fines , is this there only means of funding if so its wrong , some regional junior leagues have up to 20k in the bank , thats not right. lets see their books and see how much they got through sponsorship and what they got in fines . one last point do refs declare their earnings from amatuer games to the IR

David told me that income from fines in the NCL was down significantly last season on the season before.

Don't the leagues publish their accounts at an AGM?

[TheDuke]

the hull open age league has 30k in the bank, whu on earth they need that much i dont know

[maxwel]

Disgusting, over £2200 in fines for amateur sports clubs. Most clubs are struggling financially and these disciplinaries just seem like a licence to print money and keep lads out of the game. Punch ups happen in the pro game, how many of them players get fined and banned for 5 and 6 games?

At the AGM the NCL should take proposals for how best to distribute the collective fines to imorove the game, one may well be to pay for the home team to video the game this could then be used if required at disciplinary hearings,and not just rely on an officials interpretation what happened as on many occassions occurs.

[BARRETT]

Don't let's get carried away that the £2K+ was caused by speccies abusing referees. A large proportion of the fines were for brawls and running in. A couple of lads giving each other a slap isn't too bad - and they only normally get one or two matches. Some lads run in from damn near the other side of the pitch to give some unsuspecting player a viscious punch on the "blind side". They, I'm sorry to say, deserve all they get.

Videoing games can be great for the disciplinary committee. Check out how many of the clubs up at the discipline had provided video evidence (for or against themselves). What can't speak can't lie - and you'll probably find that the ones who were hit the hardest (match suspension-wise) were done with the aid of a video!!

[revtype]

david lowe as records that go back years on diciplinary, lots of clubs are at crisis point reg funds some thing as got to be done reg the amount on fines , is this there only means of funding if so its wrong , some regional junior leagues have up to 20k in the bank , thats not right. lets see their books and see how much they got through sponsorship and what they got in fines . one last point do refs declare their earnings from amatuer games to the IR

Regarding refs declaring their fees to IR this can have further implications like benefits etc. Doing an open age matchh on a Saturday, 2 junior matches on a Sunday morning and possibly a school match midweek, its not a bad little earner. It could be £100 a week

[Mr Pringle]

Referees in the conference get paid via the rfl so I'd imagine that the rfl would declare this to the taxman.

[tim2]

Referees in the conference get paid via the rfl so I'd imagine that the rfl would declare this to the taxman.

Correct - it goes through the RFL payroll as do all the summer appointments so the fees are taxed.

[hairywombat]

Regarding refs declaring their fees to IR this can have further implications like benefits etc. Doing an open age matchh on a Saturday, 2 junior matches on a Sunday morning and possibly a school match midweek, its not a bad little earner. It could be £100 a week

You're right there, it could affect their invalidity, and mobility allowances.

[costa]

As a referee I bring in on average £50-£70 a week, doing 2-3 games at various levels and age groups. I don't make any formal declaration to HMRC.

I don't know any referee in the amateur game, NCL and Summer excepted, who declares their match fee to the taxman. It's a bit of a grey area in which I'm not an expert. Are referees fees regarded as paid employment or expenses? I suppose either way it's an income.

IMO referees are not paid enough for what they have to put up with at some clubs. I referee because I love the game, but I won't lie and say that the money doesn't matter because it does. I think a fee around the £30 mark (+ mileage) for all open age games would be fairer, with a fee of £20-£25 for junior/youth games.

Edited by costa, 14 November 2010 - 07:46 PM.

[hairywombat]

I referee because I love the game

Why don't you just claim your expenses then.

[casyorkie]

As a referee I bring in on average £50-£70 a week, doing 2-3 games at various levels and age groups. I don't make any formal declaration to HMRC.

I don't know any referee in the amateur game, NCL and Summer excepted, who declares their match fee to the taxman. It's a bit of a grey area in which I'm not an expert. Are referees fees regarded as paid employment or expenses? I suppose either way it's an income.

IMO referees are not paid enough for what they have to put up with at some clubs. I referee because I love the game, but I won't lie and say that the money doesn't matter because it does. I think a fee around the £30 mark (+ mileage) for all open age games would be fairer, with a fee of £20-£25 for junior/youth games.

I dont understand why you have never been asked by HMRC to pay over tax fro your earnings, The RFL will have a list of all match fees paid which would be nice and easy for the revnue to ask for.I know Rugby Union referees declare their income and would be very surprized if most League refs dont.Wouldnt like your tax bill if the revenue decided to cover your last 6years even when you claim your travel expenses with intrest and penatlies.