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[fieldofclothofgold]

Ive just heard on radio that Ed Milliband is going to admit that he is a socialist today at some meeting ,I did'nt catch it all.
Wether he is a socialist or not ,but saying he is doe's that mean that's the end of new labour?
Looks like he's chasing all those dissafected traditional labour voter's who deserted labour under new labour

[bowes]

It says so in the Mail and the Express silly.

The Express is running with a story that 99% of UK citizens want to be out of Europe.

It's a majority but nothing like that high, will be soon when the EU collapses probably

[JohnM]

what are most people thinking?
How do you know this?

It was on Newsnight.

That is a BBC programme.

The BBC is never wrong.

I'm surprised you din't know that as there has been plenty of criticism on here whenever anyone suggested that the BBC is in anyway biased.

If we can't trust the BBC, who CAN we trust?

[shrek]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-11842711

They don't name and "shame" her for her views though do they? Imagine if she'd been a Tory, it'd be front page news.

[JohnM]

Ive just heard on radio that Ed Milliband is going to admit that he is a socialist today at some meeting ,I did'nt catch it all.
Wether he is a socialist or not ,but saying he is doe's that mean that's the end of new labour?
Looks like he's chasing all those dissafected traditional labour voter's who deserted labour under new labour

Its like the bad old days all over again. SNAFU.

Red Ed Miliband the socialist, Red Len McClusky elected head of Britain's biggest trades union in an election with just 16% turnout, already threatening strike action: Asked about possible further strikes by British Airways cabin crew, Mr McCluskey said: “Watch this space. Don’t go on holiday.” but then again, " dey do dat, doh, don't dey doh"

I luv strikes, though, me , I do. One of the best public-sector cost cutting measures ever. Go to it brothers!

Edited by JohnM, 27 November 2010 - 10:11 AM.

[bigred]

Its like the bad old days all over again. SNAFU.

Red Ed Miliband the socialist, Red Len McClusky elected head of Britain's biggest trades union in an election with just 16% turnout, already threatening strike action: Asked about possible further strikes by British Airways cabin crew, Mr McCluskey said: “Watch this space. Don’t go on holiday.” but then again, " dey do dat, doh, don't dey doh"

I luv strikes, though, me , I do. One of the best public-sector cost cutting measures ever. Go to it brothers!

It certainly does remind me of the bad old days!
Memories of Orgreave anyone???
Police untruths?

[Griff9of13]

It certainly does remind me of the bad old days!
Memories of Orgreave anyone???
Police untruths?

Our brave boys in blue would never do anything bad would they?

[Trojan]

It's a majority but nothing like that high, will be soon when the EU collapses probably

Then we'll all be very sorry. For a thousand years, we fought the French, and the Spanish. The French fought the Germans and Russians, in fact up to the end of WWII there wasn't a sustained period of peace in Europe, until the EU. Since the Treaty of Rome Western Europe has remained at peace. If the thing disintegrates, and British withdrawal could preciptate that then watch out.

[JohnM]

Our brave boys in blue would never do anything bad would they?

There is no excuse. That sort of action by the police and the consequent lying is totally wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Further evidence, if any were needed, of "New" New Labour's championing of Old Labour's loonie left:

Labour MP champions violent disorder

Edited by JohnM, 27 November 2010 - 05:22 PM.

[Griff9of13]

There is no excuse. That sort of action by the police and the consequent lying is totally wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Further evidence, if any were needed, of "New" New Labour's championing of Old Labour's loonie left:

Labour MP champions violent disorder

Agree fully with your first point. If he condoned the violence then he's an idiot. However I've read the story several times, and can't see where he does.

[JohnM]

I suppose its a matter of interpretation: "As far as yesterday's demonstration is concerned it was marvellous and gives a lead to others to follow." he could haver added " but not the violent disorder or bunking off school"

[bowes]

Then we'll all be very sorry. For a thousand years, we fought the French, and the Spanish. The French fought the Germans and Russians, in fact up to the end of WWII there wasn't a sustained period of peace in Europe, until the EU. Since the Treaty of Rome Western Europe has remained at peace. If the thing disintegrates, and British withdrawal could preciptate that then watch out.

How many European wars have Norway and Switzerland been in in that time?

When it was a purely a common market it made a lot of sense but trying to run it as a superstate has already bankrupted 2 countries, with one more virtually certain to follow in the next week and at least 3 more likely in the next few months.

Could be the EU, but be military alliance of NATO, could be that there's no reason for war in a time of prosperity. For nearly half that time 2 Western European countries were under either a fascist or a very conservative military dictatorships.

[JohnM]

Was Yugoslavia in Eastern Europe or Western Europe?...on the map it looks west of Greece.

[shrek]

Was Yugoslavia in Eastern Europe or Western Europe?...on the map it looks west of Greece.

Wasn't the term East and West more to do with political persuasion rather than location?

I know in Slovakia they are very keen to be referred to as central European as traditional east and west terms there certainly had political meaning.

[sam]

hmmm..what could cause the uk withdrawal from the eu? the only thing i can think of would be a euro-sceptic, tory government gaining power....oh. there it is folks, not only is civil war about to break out but if we're not careful those dastardly tories will ignite war on the continent too...ffs.

[Trojan]

How many European wars have Norway and Switzerland been in in that time?

When it was a purely a common market it made a lot of sense but trying to run it as a superstate has already bankrupted 2 countries, with one more virtually certain to follow in the next week and at least 3 more likely in the next few months.

Could be the EU, but be military alliance of NATO, could be that there's no reason for war in a time of prosperity. For nearly half that time 2 Western European countries were under either a fascist or a very conservative military dictatorships.

You really will say anything to prove you're right won't you? Just a few examples. The French provinces of Alsace and Lorraine changed hands violently four times between 1870 and 1945. The Prussians were invaded by France in the Napoleonic wars. We fought France over and over again, in France, in Spain, in Italy, in India in Canada. Belgium was effectively there as a buffer between Germany and France. The German war plans took invading Belgium as prelude to invading France as a given. They also started wars with Poland, and Russia, as did the French. As for Norway, sure they didn't fight in 1939 45. They didn't get the chance, the Germans walked in and took over. Same in Denmark.
Millions of men from both sides died on the Western Front between 1914 and 1918. For me any price is worth paying to prevent this sort of thing happening again. Withdrawal from the EC should be unthinkable. It's too dangerous. But the pigheaded bigots who run the right wing press don't want to see such things.
The same sort of people were running the Mail and the Express in the thirties when they backed Hitler.

[sam]

As for Norway, sure they didn't fight in 1939 45. They didn't get the chance, the Germans walked in and took over.

take a trip to the oslo resistance museum to see how much they didn't fight.

[Trojan]

take a trip to the oslo resistance museum to see how much they didn't fight.

But not formally as in "I have to tell you now a state of war exists.." is what I meant - they were invaded.

[bowes]

You really will say anything to prove you're right won't you? Just a few examples. The French provinces of Alsace and Lorraine changed hands violently four times between 1870 and 1945. The Prussians were invaded by France in the Napoleonic wars. We fought France over and over again, in France, in Spain, in Italy, in India in Canada. Belgium was effectively there as a buffer between Germany and France. The German war plans took invading Belgium as prelude to invading France as a given. They also started wars with Poland, and Russia, as did the French. As for Norway, sure they didn't fight in 1939 45. They didn't get the chance, the Germans walked in and took over. Same in Denmark.
Millions of men from both sides died on the Western Front between 1914 and 1918. For me any price is worth paying to prevent this sort of thing happening again. Withdrawal from the EC should be unthinkable. It's too dangerous. But the pigheaded bigots who run the right wing press don't want to see such things.
The same sort of people were running the Mail and the Express in the thirties when they backed Hitler.

Norway and Switzerland are much richer than us and have been in far fewer wars than us since WW2 so we can pull out of the EU and it won't trigger war so you're talking rubbish. The EU is a drain on us because we have much less agriculture for subsidies and the one size fits all regulations are destructive. Plus unlike you I don't want an unelected body of 27 men dictating all our laws centrally for us destroying European economies at a fast rate. Much more risk of someone like Hitler taking power without democratic checks and balances and they'd have all of Europe on a plate.

Canada, Australia and New Zealand aren't in the EU and funnily enough they're not warlord states like your Europhile fantasies would have us believe

Edited by bowes, 28 November 2010 - 03:17 PM.

[Trojan]

Norway and Switzerland are much richer than us and have been in far fewer wars than us since WW2 so we can pull out of the EU and it won't trigger war so you're talking rubbish. The EU is a drain on us because we have much less agriculture for subsidies and the one size fits all regulations are destructive. Plus unlike you I don't want an unelected body of 27 men dictating all our laws centrally for us destroying European economies at a fast rate. Much more risk of someone like Hitler taking power without democratic checks and balances and they'd have all of Europe on a plate.

Canada, Australia and New Zealand aren't in the EU and funnily enough they're not warlord states like your Europhile fantasies would have us believe

Canada,Australia and New Zealand weren't in Europe either the last time I looked. However thousands (millions?)of their citizens were killed and injured in WWII. India and the West Indies too. Norway are a rich nation because they didn't squander the once in a lifetime benefit of North Sea Oil and Gas. Switzerland are rich because of all the gold burried under the streets of Zurich.