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[Trojan]

I think that the problem with Lord Young is that he's not a politician. His crime was saying out in public what presumably all his colleagues are saying privately. The deficit was run up trying to avoid the effects of the recession. Presumably to some extent it's been effective.
In the past Mr Osbourne reckoned the Irish had the answer
http://www.timesonli...ticle733821.ece
"What has caused this Irish miracle, and how can we in Britain emulate it?
"The new global economy poses real long-term challenges to Britain, but also real opportunities for us to prosper and succeed. In Ireland they understand this. They have freed their markets, developed the skills of their workforce, encouraged enterprise and innovation and created a dynamic economy. They have much to teach us, if only we are willing to learn. "

[Bob8]

Billy Fisher rides again.
will you be using the ambrosia gun?

[bowes]

Rich, Tory, out of touch, doesn't give a toss.

Nothing changes, seen it all before - we had this shower in the 1980's and some of us are still paying for it.

I said beore the election that the people of this country should think very carefully before electing Cameron and his chums, unfortunately they didn't think carefully enough and now, with the connivance of Nick Clegg (the most unprincipled man in British politics) we are stuck with them for the next five years.

The depradation that they are about to perpetrate will go down in infamy.

The alternative is ending up like Greece

[Trojan]

The alternative is ending up like Greece

Tory Party mantra at the moment.

[Bitofaboogie]

The alternative is ending up like Greece

You need to get your brain unwashed mate, maybe then you can make a start on forming your own opinions instead of regurgitating in a sheep-like manner, the propaganda of toffs.

[bowes]

You need to get your brain unwashed mate, maybe then you can make a start on forming your own opinions instead of regurgitating in a sheep-like manner, the propaganda of toffs.

So you want to horribly indebt the country?

For old people that's a good solution but for most people it would be terrible in the long run. Labour have ruined the country, we had them for 13 years and they managed to make the poor poorer, hit them with punitive taxes and make houses out of reach for all but the very richest young people. The economy was only so high because of unsustainable debt and ridiculous house prices so can't reach a level to afford Labour level of spending in real terms, just by not cutting or anything stupid. The cuts really aren't drastic when you think they go back to Tony Blair levels before Gordon Brown's big binge.

Labour were going to cut £71billion, the Coalition are cutting £80billion but massively lowering the tax burden on low earners while cutting benefits to better off. I know which I'd rather. Not cutting isn't an option unless you want everyone taxed into poverty. The banks will pay off their own debts, but everything else is reckless overspending

Edited by bowes, 20 November 2010 - 03:30 PM.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

You need to get your brain unwashed mate, maybe then you can make a start on forming your own opinions instead of regurgitating in a sheep-like manner, the propaganda of toffs.

nothing wrong with being a toff
people form their opinions by absorbing information and forning a judgement on that basis
how did you form yours?

[T-Dub]

The alternative is ending up like Greece

Iceland, Greece, Ireland...

... Portugal, Spain, Italy teetering

If you dont like the medicine dont blame the doctor.

The ranting old soak who sounded like he'd had a small sherry that afternoon, isn't representitive of anyone except himself. Im nobody's Conservative but to suggest his are the clandestinely held views of every Conservative MP and voter is just ridiculous

[Bitofaboogie]

So you want to horribly indebt the country?

For old people that's a good solution but for most people it would be terrible in the long run. Labour have ruined the country, we had them for 13 years and they managed to make the poor poorer, hit them with punitive taxes and make houses out of reach for all but the very richest young people. The economy was only so high because of unsustainable debt and ridiculous house prices so can't reach a level to afford Labour level of spending in real terms, just by not cutting or anything stupid. The cuts really aren't drastic when you think they go back to Tony Blair levels before Gordon Brown's big binge.

Labour were going to cut £71billion, the Coalition are cutting £80billion but massively lowering the tax burden on low earners while cutting benefits to better off. I know which I'd rather. Not cutting isn't an option unless you want everyone taxed into poverty. The banks will pay off their own debts, but everything else is reckless overspending

How long did it take you to parrot learn that lot then?

[T-Dub]

How long did it take you to parrot learn that lot then?

Is it wrong?

[Bitofaboogie]

Iceland, Greece, Ireland...

... Portugal, Spain, Italy teetering

If you dont like the medicine dont blame the doctor.

The ranting old soak who sounded like he'd had a small sherry that afternoon, isn't representitive of anyone except himself. Im nobody's Conservative but to suggest his are the clandestinely held views of every Conservative MP and voter is just ridiculous

Hmm, could it be that the problem lies with the nature of Cap.......no, sorry, what am I thinking that couldn't possibly be right, could it?

[T-Dub]

Hmm, could it be that the problem lies with the nature of Cap.......no, sorry, what am I thinking that couldn't possibly be right, could it?

Britain is barely a capitalist country at all these days.

Free enterprise hamstrung by regulation and taxed to the point where our manufacturing has to be done overseas, financial services run from less tax hungry nations, 53% of jobs are now in the public (revenue spending) rather than private (revenue generating) sector.

Another Brown government and we would have more closely resembled Bulgaria than Hong Kong.

[Bitofaboogie]

nothing wrong with being a toff
people form their opinions by absorbing information and forning a judgement on that basis
how did you form yours?

That's a matter of opinion but I would have to agree that it depends on the kind of toff that you are.

I formed my opinions the same way and I know that there is little or no chance of this country going the way of Greece, not that that would necessarily be a bad thing if it did.

I don't beleive one syllable that I read in the papers, hear in the media or am told by politicians or businessmen, anyone that does at this particular point in history is certifiable - even a blind fool could see this but you wouldn't think so the way that some people carry on.

[Bitofaboogie]

Britain is barely a capitalist country at all these days.

Free enterprise hamstrung by regulation and taxed to the point where our manufacturing has to be done overseas, financial services run from less tax hungry nations, 53% of jobs are now in the public (revenue spending) rather than private (revenue generating) sector.

Another Brown government and we would have more closely resembled Bulgaria than Hong Kong.

Sure you don't mean Greece??

Eee, that TV programme about that Jock that transformed the economy of Hong Kong was just great wasn't it, now why can't we find leaders like him??

All our troubles would be over in a jiffy.

[Bitofaboogie]

Is it wrong?

Yes.

[T-Dub]

Sure you don't mean Greece??

Greece has a socialist government
Spain has a socialist government
Italy has a coalition government, partially socialist
Portugal has a socialist government
Iceland had a right wing coalition, replaced in 2009 after thei catastrophe by a left wing coalition
Britain has has 13 years of socialist spending

Spot a trend?

[T-Dub]

[quote name='Bitofaboogie' date='Nov 20 2010, 04:19 PM' post='2161601']
I know that there is little or no chance of this country going the way of Greece, not that that would necessarily be a bad thing if it did.
/quote]

No one will lend to Greece to sustain their public sector spending. Greek govt issue bonds were certified by Standard & Poor as 'junk' earlier this year. They are currently offered at 11%. Unsustainable. Germany had to basically nationalise the Greek economy.

This, in your book, is 'not necessarily a bad thing'?

Blimey

[Bitofaboogie]

Greece has a socialist government
Spain has a socialist government
Italy has a coalition government, partially socialist
Portugal has a socialist government
Iceland had a right wing coalition, replaced in 2009 after thei catastrophe by a left wing coalition
Britain has has 13 years of socialist spending

Spot a trend?

Yes, you are angry and filled with irrational prejudice on the subject of socialism.

Does this mean that every other national economy on the planet is not run on socialist lines and has therefore avoided the ravages of the global financial meltdown? What about the good 'ol USA where all this bother started under the Bush regime, can you tell me what colour of government they have please?

Anyone who categorises the last 13 years in this country as "socialist" must be totally bonkers, I can only assume that you must be the offspring of Alf Garnett and Sarah Palin.

[Bitofaboogie]

I know that there is little or no chance of this country going the way of Greece, not that that would necessarily be a bad thing if it did.

No one will lend to Greece to sustain their public sector spending. Greek govt issue bonds were certified by Standard & Poor as 'junk' earlier this year. They are currently offered at 11%. Unsustainable. Germany had to basically nationalise the Greek economy.

This, in your book, is 'not necessarily a bad thing'?

Blimey

Germany nationalising whole economies?

What good is that going to do?

Are they bloody socialists or something?

Jolly nice of them to take this risk and step in to make good where the market won't do the job don't you think?

[bowes]

Greece has a socialist government
Spain has a socialist government
Italy has a coalition government, partially socialist
Portugal has a socialist government
Iceland had a right wing coalition, replaced in 2009 after thei catastrophe by a left wing coalition
Britain has has 13 years of socialist spending

Spot a trend?

Italy the problem is more complicated, a mix of corruption and the fact that the south is so poor it eats up spending (plus is very corrupt). If Italy were 2 countries the north would be just about the richest in the world and the south would be 3rd world. Hence the success of the Northern League who are now in coalition. The equivalent situation has Belgium close to split as Flanders no longer wants to subsidise Wallonia.

I wouldn't say Britain is socialist so much as an attempt to tax and spend on a capitalist government despite the fact that the tax and regulation are too high for small businesses and thus leaving things to big businesses who either take jobs abroad or bring in immigrants at much lower pay. Result ever increased welfare budget and too high taxes to make getting a job the logical thing to do. Most of all they spend through unviable debt. I see it as the worst of the left and the worst of the right combined

Edited by bowes, 20 November 2010 - 05:09 PM.