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#61 ckn

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Griff9of13 @ Dec 9 2010, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here is what Nick Clegg has to say on the subject....
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I saw him on telly last night (think it was C4 news) and he was absolutely pathetic. Sounded like a real weasel politician: (paraphrased) "well, our promise wasn't a promise to get rid of tuition fees over one Parliament but a vague promise for the future. There are so many people going to university that we couldn't do it anyway. Also, we were third in the last election so our manifesto promises are irrelevant even though we're a partner in a coalition".

Also on telly (definitely C4 news just before 8pm) was Norman Lamb (Lib Dem MP) being ripped apart by a very eloquent sixth form student on the subject. Every one of his political weasel points was dealt with clearly by the student while he refused to directly answer her questions.

There's no credit coming out of this in the slightest for the Lib Dems.

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#62 WearyRhino

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Dec 8 2010, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... that their Student Loan Company was a complete and utter disaster ...


You mean the Student Loans Company set up in 1990 by a Tory government.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Steve May @ Dec 9 2010, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Following the tuition fees nonsense, an opinion poll today puts the Lib Dems on their lowest score in an opinion poll since September 1990. It's 41/41/8 on YouGov.

The combined Labour/Tory share is at it's highest for close on 40 years. No need for PR now. Two party politics here we come...

Oh Gingerjon, please come back...


There was some Lib Dem MP on the BBC News channel this morning who is apparently considering voting against the Government this evening who stated his dislike for coalition government. As with so many things I fear the Lib Dems never really thought through the whole PR thing. Still PR has gone of the agenda for a long time now - silver lining etc.

Moreover, I bet the Tories cannot believe their luck at the moment as illustrated by the opinion polls - they can impose cuts that even Thatcher couldn't dream of and the Lib Dems get the blame.

#64 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:26 PM

The figures involved -

http://blog.moneysav...ions-education/

Earnings Annual Repayments now Annual Repayments under proposals
£15,000 Nothing Nothing
£16,000 £90 Nothing
£21,000 £540 Nothing
£22,000 £630 £90
£30,000 £1,350 £810
£40,000 £2,250 £1,710
£50,000 £3,150 £2,610


Labour now fully support a graduate tax (Johnson has seen the light), which the Brown report said wasn't the best option.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#65 JohnM

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (WearyRhino @ Dec 9 2010, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean the Student Loans Company set up in 1990 by a Tory government.


I don't care who set it up. It was rubbish and in 13 years , your lot, you know, the ones who brought in the current scheme, couldn't fix it.

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Dec 8 2010, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure about that, it was only last week the press were reporting serious rumblings about Milliband and last week he had a poor showing.

Thought he struck a blow today with the Bullingdon comment, but then with Corpus Christi College, Oxford and Harvard on his CV he may not be choosing the right line of attack as I am sure theres a more than a few posh lunches in his past that will come to light when the press see's fit!


It could be more than just the posh lunches that come to light, should the press see fit ph34r.gif
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#67 nadera78

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (Stevo @ Dec 9 2010, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It could be more than just the posh lunches that come to light, should the press see fit ph34r.gif


Go on then, spill the beans. Oh, sorry, for a moment I thought you actually knew something but never mind, carry on posting inuendo anonymously on the internet.
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#68 WearyRhino

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Stevo @ Dec 9 2010, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It could be more than just the posh lunches that come to light, should the press see fit ph34r.gif


I know, I know Sir - his Dad was a Marxist wasn't he Sir?

#69 WearyRhino

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 02:48 PM

Listening to the debate in the Commons this afternoon provides a perfect illustration of just how out of touch the majority of Tory MPs are with the daily lives and finances of ordinary people - phrases like "dip their hands into their pockets" are coming out.



#70 sam

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 03:13 PM

QUOTE (WearyRhino @ Dec 9 2010, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Listening to the debate in the Commons this afternoon provides a perfect illustration of just how out of touch the majority of Tory MPs are with the daily lives and finances of ordinary people - phrases like "dip their hands into their pockets" are coming out.


how many of hazel blears constituent have access to thousands of pounds just in case they too conveniently forget what they can and can't claim for on expenses.
foxes or poor people?

#71 WearyRhino

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (sam @ Dec 9 2010, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how many of hazel blears constituent have access to thousands of pounds just in case they too conveniently forget what they can and can't claim for on expenses.


2 out of 10 - must try harder!

#72 sam

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 03:28 PM

QUOTE (WearyRhino @ Dec 9 2010, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2 out of 10 - must try harder!


i'm sure i could if i could be arsed looking. just the sight of her waving the cheque must have been another 'proud' moment.
foxes or poor people?

#73 sam

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 03:33 PM

lets not forget ex-dear leader, i'm sure his constituents and himself chat long into the night, regaling each other about how much they earned from giving speeches in various countries.
foxes or poor people?

#74 WearyRhino

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (sam @ Dec 9 2010, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lets not forget ex-dear leader, i'm sure his constituents and himself chat long into the night, regaling each other about how much they earned from giving speeches in various countries.


1 out of 10. Fail!

#75 shrek

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 06:47 PM

QUOTE (WearyRhino @ Dec 9 2010, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Listening to the debate in the Commons this afternoon provides a perfect illustration of just how out of touch the majority of Tory MPs are with the daily lives and finances of ordinary people - phrases like "dip their hands into their pockets" are coming out.


I don't understand why that's a problem with fees that aren't upfront, if your coming at this from a social mobility point of view, house deposits, mortgages and 40% tax will make tution fees seem like a walk in the park.

#76 bendyas

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:35 PM

QUOTE (ckn @ Dec 9 2010, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I saw him on telly last night (think it was C4 news) and he was absolutely pathetic. Sounded like a real weasel politician: (paraphrased) "well, our promise wasn't a promise to get rid of tuition fees over one Parliament but a vague promise for the future. There are so many people going to university that we couldn't do it anyway. Also, we were third in the last election so our manifesto promises are irrelevant even though we're a partner in a coalition".

Also on telly (definitely C4 news just before 8pm) was Norman Lamb (Lib Dem MP) being ripped apart by a very eloquent sixth form student on the subject. Every one of his political weasel points was dealt with clearly by the student while he refused to directly answer her questions.

There's no credit coming out of this in the slightest for the Lib Dems.


During the televised debates i was impressed with the Lib Dem's apparent desire to rid politics of lies.

He's now proven himself and his party to be utter $%^&*

The politicians who abstained from the vote should be sacked. Either you agree or you don't.




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Posted 09 December 2010 - 10:11 PM

QUOTE (WearyRhino @ Dec 9 2010, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1 out of 10. Fail!


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Posted 10 December 2010 - 05:30 AM

From what I can see from the new proposals, it works out financially better for the students from the poorest households. Which to me is better than what we have at present, introduced by Labour. It's also implementing the recomendations of the Browne report, which Labour actually commissioned and pledged to support, so how they have the brass neck to try and accuse the Lib Dems of dishonesty now, is frankly unbelievable. In fact, the last Labour government even went to court in order to have it ruled that election manifesto pledges weren't enforcable, such was their commitment to electoral dishonesty.

Honestly, you couldn't make this up, could you? But that's what the current Labour Party have sunk to.

I remember sitting in the Labour conference in brighton, when Blair promised that a Labour government would not introduce ID cards, they also promised not to introduce course top up fees, so; so much for honesty eh Labour?

I'm no lover of the new system of higher education funding, but nor do I like the current Labour one either. I thought that was a disgraceful move by the the last lot. But, if we as a country are determined to keep sending (in my opinion) a ridiculous percentage of our population through degree level courses, then it has to be paid for, without increasing our annual financial deficit. We simply cannot keep borrowing, as per the last government, who turned the theory of counter cyclical spending completely on its head by borrowing heavily through the boom years, whilst hoping that the debt (housing) funded bubble would continue to expand indefinately.

If ever there was a betrayal of the working classes, making ordinary people debt slaves to the banking sector by actively encouraging (through policy) average housing costs to increase to 7 or 8 times the average salary, before people could even put a roof over their heads, was it. Thank you for nothing Gordon, I hope you think your own personal political ambitions were worth it? I don't, you vile man.

WR, you really need to cut out the blind tribalism and address the facts, otherwise you'll just continue appearing silly. The Labour Party have no coherent policy at the moment and instead, prefer to distract the populous from this weak position by attempting to create a split within the coalition government. In part, that's politics, but without a coherent plan, in my mind, they don't have a leg to stand on and their methods look like the worst form of opportunist 6th form debating society tactics, as indeed do yours. They will not form a credible opposition if they carry on like this, there are far too many gaping holes in their own arguments and no amount of wishful thinking on the left (and there is a lot) will alter that. Prepare for a long time in opposition and at least one change of leader, probably before the next election.

Edited by Haloman, 10 December 2010 - 05:47 AM.





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