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#21 skep155

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE (Northern Sol @ Dec 11 2010, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most people love the romance of a doomed struggle against the odds. I always like to play Confederates if I ever play a North vs South type computer game for this reason.

The war (as most of them were / are) was mostly bad guys against other bad guys. The South was worse but the North was hardly liberal.


Ha ha! When I play Empire Total War I'm always the Ottoman's, secretly plotting to turn the Pope into an Imam and working towards Islamic domination of Europe laugh.gif Being a bad guy is just more fun.

#22 Wolford6

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:34 PM

Up to 9000 Welshmen fought for the North in the American Civil War. (trufax)

I reckon the reasons they fought were a combination of: -
- the true Welshman's sense of natural justice
- the Welsh valley boy has often enjoyed a good scrap
- the Yankees thought they'd conscript immigrants so the wasps could stay at home
- they'd spent so much time down the mine, they thought they actually were black.

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#23 Tiny Tim

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Dec 13 2010, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Up to 9000 Welshmen fought for the North in the American Civil War. (trufax)

I reckon the reasons they fought were a combination of: -
- the true Welshman's sense of natural justice
- the Welsh valley boy has often enjoyed a good scrap
- the Yankees thought they'd conscript immigrants so the wasps could stay at home
- they'd spent so much time down the mine, they thought they actually were black.

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I suspect the real answer was they were all just very drunk.


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#24 Wolford6

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Tiny Tim @ Dec 13 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suspect the real answer was they were all just very drunk.



Coors? Budweiser? Millerlite?

Somehow, I cant see it. Unless they had had enough of that garbage and devised plans to "liberate" the cut-off Jack Daniels and Southern Comfort distilleries.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:27 PM

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Dec 13 2010, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Coors? Budweiser? Millerlite?

Somehow, I cant see it. Unless they had had enough of that garbage and devised plans to "liberate" the cut-off Jack Daniels and Southern Comfort distilleries.
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Brains Dark was brewed under licence in the Southern states.

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#27 Bob8

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:38 PM

It has been a good twenty years since I read about this, but I recall a discussion.

First, the war was a bigger deal for the South than for the Northern states, so they will have more stories about it and are more likely to have their own heros.

The sympathetic case for the Southern states would be that this marked the point at which they were not longer voluntary enterants into a union comparable to the EU, but instead became subject states of Washington. The colonies had claimed the right to independence from the British crown, but were denied that right from Washington.

The economic basis of the two sets of states was very different. Policies were set for the benefit of the Northern states and undermined the Southern states. For the Southern states to modernise and progress, independence was a pre-requisite.

We may rise the issue of slavery, however, slavery was not a central issue in this was any more than in the First American War of Independence. Southern states that developed thier economy would progress past the primitive slave based agriculture, which was not sustainable. By imposing the ban on slavery, it bred resentment and impeded progress in the South to an extent to which they are still recovering.

I do not accept these arguments, but this would be the other side of the story. Many in England did accept them, particularly in the more agricultural South.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (Tiny Tim @ Dec 13 2010, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Brains Dark was brewed under licence in the Southern states.



I think you are mistaken. It is my understanding that Americans have never had Brains.

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#29 Tiny Tim

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 04:22 PM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Dec 13 2010, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you are mistaken. It is my understanding that Americans have never had Brains.

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The Americans didn't drink it, they don't like beer that tastes of beer.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Tiny Tim @ Dec 13 2010, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Americans didn't drink it, they don't like beer that tastes of beer.


They have much in common with Australians.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Shadow @ Dec 13 2010, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They have much in common with Australians.

At least Australia has given the world Kylie and Rolf Harris.....not enough to forgive them for their 'beer', but it's a start!


Apologies to whoever started this thread I fear I am drifting off topic huh.gif
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Tiny Tim @ Dec 13 2010, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least Australia has given the world Kylie and Rolf Harris.....not enough to forgive them for their 'beer', but it's a start!


Apologies to whoever started this thread I fear I am drifting off topic huh.gif


On that basis the USA gave us Debbie Harry and Kermit the Frog, still doesn't excuse them making Budweiser.

I don't see this as being too far from the original topic, not by the standards of some threads on here biggrin.gif
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#33 Wolford6

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 05:09 PM

QUOTE (Tiny Tim @ Dec 13 2010, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At least Australia has given the world Kylie and Rolf Harris.....not enough to forgive them for their 'beer', but it's a start!



Both Welsh of course.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (Tiny Tim @ Dec 13 2010, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Americans didn't drink it, they don't like beer that tastes of beer.


Boston is a very honourable exception to this rule.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (skep155 @ Dec 13 2010, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ha ha! When I play Empire Total War I'm always the Ottoman's, secretly plotting to turn the Pope into an Imam and working towards Islamic domination of Europe laugh.gif Being a bad guy is just more fun.

You'll be in trouble for saying they're the bad guys wink.gif

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Dec 13 2010, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
- the Welsh valley boy has often enjoyed a good scrap

These days I guess those that like a good scrap join the WDL.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Bob8 @ Dec 13 2010, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Boston is a very honourable exception to this rule.

Brooklyn beers are very good too
but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE (Bob8 @ Dec 13 2010, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Boston is a very honourable exception to this rule.


Lots of good beer in the midwest, too.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 07:02 PM

QUOTE (Millman @ Dec 13 2010, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These days I guess those that like a good scrap join the WDL.

Or UAF

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (Northern Sol @ Dec 13 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ROFL.

Yeah, I take my uber right-wing politics out on computer games. I wish someone would write a Genghis Khan game so I could alleviate my secret need to massacre the Chinese peasantry.

Millperson has a game where you massacre Chinese peasants as well but you control Mao Tse Tung in his wink.gif




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