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[ckn]

Daily Mail special investigation

A good look at the people behind the EDL. It's also interesting to see that the EDL, and probably BNP sympathisers, have been rallied quite effectively and quickly to swamp the comments section.

[JohnM]

get on there and swamp it back, as it were. I have.

[Northern Sol]

Is this news?

The EDL basically being "former" football hooligans has been known for some time.

[ckn]

Is this news?

The EDL basically being "former" football hooligans has been known for some time.

No, not news, just a bit of journalistic investigation highlighting the innards of the EDL. Newspapers are more than just about current news.

[JohnM]

And its NOT the Guardian doing the investigating, its the Daily Mail.

[Northern Sol]

And its NOT the Guardian doing the investigating, its the Daily Mail.

I don't find that particular surprising either. Even Adrian Littlejohn slags off the BNP.

[Haloman]

And its NOT the Guardian doing the investigating, its the Daily Mail.

Ah, well that explains it. It's all lies and they are really nice and cuddly and aren't racist in any way shape or form.

All aboard the EDL bandwagon everybody, we're off to the bright sunlit uplands.

[JohnM]

My post was meant to show that this was not some leftish organ, but a rightish paper having a go.

By swamping their comment section, I mean swamping it with comments that oppose the disgraceful, violent and racist EDL.

has anyone read the comments that have appeared already? Frightening! Virtually all of them support the EDL, what they stand for and how they go about it.

e.g. He may be a thug, but at least Marshy is standing up for England...which is much more than our so-called Government is doing...we DON`T want to be suporting the dregs of the world, financially or otherwise, while we are at the bottom of the queue...
- Sue W, Now definitely not GREAT Britain, 13/12/2010 8:23

Edited by JohnM, 13 December 2010 - 10:56 AM.

[Northern Sol]

My post was meant to show that this was not some leftish organ, but a rightish paper having a go.

By swamping their comment section, I mean swamping it with comments that oppose the disgraceful, violent and racist EDL.

has anyone read the comments that have appeared already? Frightening! Virtually all of them support the EDL, what they stand for and how they go about it.

e.g. He may be a thug, but at least Marshy is standing up for England...which is much more than our so-called Government is doing...we DON`T want to be suporting the dregs of the world, financially or otherwise, while we are at the bottom of the queue...
- Sue W, Now definitely not GREAT Britain, 13/12/2010 8:23

This kind of thing often happens when a forum or forums link to an article. The comments page then gets flooded by people from that forum rather than the usual members of the news site. I don't think the amount of pro-EDL comments is indicative of the Mail's readership; whilst they almost certainly have a pro-EDL "faction"- they aren't an out-and-out far-right newspaper no matter what some might think.

[tim2]

It will be interesting to see how Theresa May deals with that American pastor who has been invited over by the lovely EDL to speak.

I don't think denying idiots or indeed anyone else the right to speak helps very much.

[Millman]

This kind of thing often happens when a forum or forums link to an article. The comments page then gets flooded by people from that forum rather than the usual members of the news site. I don't think the amount of pro-EDL comments is indicative of the Mail's readership; whilst they almost certainly have a pro-EDL "faction"- they aren't an out-and-out far-right newspaper no matter what some might think.

Your views on what is and isn't far right cannot be taken seriously.

[Northern Sol]

Your views on what is and isn't far right cannot be taken seriously.

Not by you obviously.

[Shadow]

This kind of thing often happens when a forum or forums link to an article. The comments page then gets flooded by people from that forum rather than the usual members of the news site. I don't think the amount of pro-EDL comments is indicative of the Mail's readership; whilst they almost certainly have a pro-EDL "faction"- they aren't an out-and-out far-right newspaper no matter what some might think.

I honestly struggle to understand why newspapers feel the need to have a "comments" facility on their articles anyway, unless it is to ensure a steady supply of swivel eyed lunacy for the amusement of others. They only ever seem to attract single issue warriors ready to blame all the ills in the world on their own particular bete-noir whether that's immigrants, the EU or B-Liar and ZaNu-Liabor.

[WearyRhino]

I don't think the amount of pro-EDL comments is indicative of the Mail's readership; whilst they almost certainly have a pro-EDL "faction"- they aren't an out-and-out far-right newspaper no matter what some might think.

Is now, always has been, always will be.

On 24 September 1930, the paper's proprietor Harold Harmsworth, Lord Rothermere, wrote:

"These young Germans have discovered, as I am glad to note the young men and women of England are discovering, that it is no good trusting to the old politicians. Accordingly they have formed, as I would like to see our British youth form, a Parliamentary party of their own. [...] The older generation of Germans were our enemies. Must we make enemies of this younger generation too?"

On 10 July 1933, Rothermere continued:

"I urge all British young men and women to study closely the progress of the Nazi regime in Germany. They must not be misled by the misrepresentations of its opponents. The most spiteful distracters of the Nazis are to be found in precisely the same sections of the British public and press as are most vehement in their praises of the Soviet regime in Russia. They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call "Nazi atrocities" which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consists merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalized, multiplied and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny."

These effusive compliments did not go unnoticed. On 7 December 1933, Hitler himself wrote to Rothermere:

"I should like to express the appreciation of countless Germans, who regard me as their spokesman, for the wise and beneficial public support which you have given to a policy that we all hope will contribute to the enduring pacification of Europe. Just as we are fanatically determined to defend ourselves against attack, so do we reject the idea of taking the initiative in bringing about a war. I am convinced that no one who fought in the front trenches during the world war, no matter in what European country, desires another conflict."

[Haloman]

I honestly struggle to understand why newspapers feel the need to have a "comments" facility on their articles anyway,

Advertising. It brings in nutter who like the sound of their own typing.

Just like us lot really.

[JohnM]

What is Lord Rothermere's connection with the Daily Mail ? Does he still hold those views today? Does he interfere in editorial policy?

Edited by JohnM, 13 December 2010 - 12:13 PM.

[Northern Sol]

Is now, always has been, always will be.

On 24 September 1930, the paper's proprietor Harold Harmsworth, Lord Rothermere, wrote:

This is something taken out of context. In the early 30s, nobody thought that the holocaust was going to happen and Hitler hadn't started annexing Eastern Europe.

Very many people thought that Hitler was some kind of economic genius given how dreadful the German economy had been in the Weimar republic. All illusionary of course.

Similarly very many institutions thought that "Uncle Joe" was a good bloke in the early days of the USSR. It would ludicrous to think that this implied that they are hardcore Stalinists today.

[Wolford6]

I don't find that particular surprising either. Even Adrian Littlejohn slags off the BNP.

Not surprising, seeing as he's black.

http://www.sufc.co.u...1389379,00.html



The EDL and BNP organisers do include a set of obnoxious thugs, but the organisation gets support from decent members of the general public who are fed up of the way foreigners milk this country and flout its laws without being challenged by the official authorities and organisations.

Those decent members of the general public think that, unless some kind of "white" backlash is provoked, the current situation will get even worse. In places like Bradford, many law-abiding working-class and middle-class residents consider that their local government and judicial systems are loaded against them ... the traditional political parties are fighting for the moslem vote and the government is too scared of another riot to encourage the police pursue true equality of treatment to all races and creeds.

And dont forget, the EDL marchers in Bradford included blacks, sikhs and hindus.

Would I vote BNP? Never.

Would I support the right of the EDL to march in a parade through Bradford City Centre? No, and fotunately, it was banned by the council.
Would I support the right of Muslim activists to to march in a parade through Bradford City Centre? No, but I bet the council would.


Do I defend the right of the EDL to hold a static meeting in Bradford city centre? Yes

Do I defend the right of Muslim activists to hold a static meeting in Bradford city centre? Yes

[Shadow]

The EDL and BNP organisers do include a set of obnoxious thugs, but the organisation gets support from decent members of the general public who are fed up of the way foreigners milk this country and flout its laws without being challenged by the official authorities and organisations.

And you have evidence of this, or is it a load of right wing press headlines about "them" being given cars/houses/preferential treatment ?

In my view there is a far greater threat to our society from the likes of the Sun / Mail / Express being allowed to print stories that have no basis in fact whatsoever, or have such a distortion of the facts as to become no better than a fabrication. These distortions become a part of the popular received wisdom and are accepted without argument as "everyone knows" when in fact no such events ever happened.

[WearyRhino]

This is something taken out of context. In the early 30s, nobody thought that the holocaust was going to happen and Hitler hadn't started annexing Eastern Europe.

Very many people thought that Hitler was some kind of economic genius given how dreadful the German economy had been in the Weimar republic. All illusionary of course.

Similarly very many institutions thought that "Uncle Joe" was a good bloke in the early days of the USSR. It would ludicrous to think that this implied that they are hardcore Stalinists today.

What revisionist ignorant rubbish.