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[Wolford6]

Maybe , but they are not all Rhinos-supporting revolutionary Maoist-Marxist-Leninist anarcho-syndicalists.

I can forgive all the others.

[Wolford6]

I'm certain that the Lord Rothermere who wrote those articles and other's like"hurrah for the blackshirt's"must be long since dead now,but i think i read somewhere he retired to South Africa,probably apartheid South Africa too

Probably not a fan of Ian Fleming though.

Once the war was over, Fleming returned to his philandering, lay-about ways. ... While his philandering ways continued unabated, Fleming did maintain a steady affair with Lady Ann Rothermere, the striking and ambitious wife of Irishman Lord O’Neil, who was killed in the war. She later married the wealthy proprietor of The Daily Mail, Viscount Rothermere, while maintaining her affair with Fleming. The two met sometime in 1935 and carried on a not-so-clandestine relationship until 1952 when, pregnant with Fleming’s second child (their first died shortly after birth), Ann divorced Rothermere and moved into Goldeneye. The not-so-happy couple married soon after, causing Fleming great stress over losing his bachelorhood.

[Phil]

Drive arounfd Bradford City Centre at night. it's full of cars driven by young ethnic-Pakistani moslem lads


I dont know, but wouldn't mind betting that those three areas of Birmingham also have proportionally-high populations of ethnic-Pakistani moslems.

we're all "ethnic" i.e. of some ethnicity.

You assume they're "pakistani moslem", They may well be of Pakistani or Kasmiri descent but they'll nearly all be British.

so what point are you actually trying to make?

Beside a racist one obviously.

[Wolford6]

we're all "ethnic" i.e. of some ethnicity.

You assume they're "pakistani moslem", They may well be of Pakistani or Kasmiri descent but they'll nearly all be British.

so what point are you actually trying to make?Beside a racist one obviously.

That all British people should follow the law and be subject to equality of legal enforcement.

If that makes me a racist, so be it.


Where do you live?

[Millman]

That all British people should follow the law and be subject to equality of legal enforcement.

If that makes me a racist, so be it.


Where do you live?

I don't think that that post that makes you racist.

Why does where the poster lives have any relevance?

[Millman]

Drive arounfd Bradford City Centre at night. it's full of cars driven by young ethnic-Pakistani moslem lads speaking to each other on hand-held phones. The cars cross lanes and turn left or right without signalling. All this is captured on CCTV and 300 yrds from the main Police HQ. I have yet to see one of these cars being stopped by the police.
Do I think I could do the same thing and not get stopped by the police? No.

Telegraph & Argus July 2010:
... four parts of Bradford are among the ten worst in the country for uninsured driving.

They are BD3 in fourth place, Frizinghall and Heaton (BD9) at six, Girlington, Manningham and Lower Grange (BD8) at seven and Great Horton (BD7) at eight.

The figures show three areas of Birmingham as having more uninsured vehicles than Barkerend.

In 2008 the Bureau revealed nearly two-thirds of car owners in Barkerend, Bradford Moor and Thornbury did not have valid insurance.

I dont know, but wouldn't mind betting that those three areas of Birmingham also have proportionally-high populations of ethnic-Pakistani moslems.

This 2001 document by GV Mahony throws more light than heat on the problem. To my impression, there has been no significant improvement in the interim period.

www.bradford2020.com/pride/docs/Section7.doc

Poor driving, dangerous phone use, and failure to insure motor vehicles are traits of "ethnic-Pakistani moslem lads". Do we need to cleanse society of poverty and social exclusion or "ethnic-Pakistani moslem lads"?

[Phil]

That all British people should follow the law and be subject to equality of legal enforcement.

If that makes me a racist, so be it.


Where do you live?

So if you accept that they're British and should be treated equally before the law (agreed) why describe them as "ethnic pakistani moslem" unless you're trying to make the point that their race and or religion has some bearing on their behaviour?

I'm from Halifax though I don't see what that's got to do with anything. I suppose if I said I was from Chipping Norton you would have replied that i don't know what it's like living near "them"

[Wolford6]

So if you accept that they're British and should be treated equally before the law (agreed) why describe them as "ethnic pakistani moslem" unless you're trying to make the point that their race and or religion has some bearing on their behaviour?

It does, for a large section of the particular ethnic pakistani moslem group that has settled in Bradford


I'm from Halifax though I don't see what that's got to do with anything. I suppose if I said I was from Chipping Norton you would have replied that i don't know what it's like living near "them"

When you say you are "from" Halifax: -
- do you no longer live there
- or do you live there now but have not done so for long
- do you live near the moslem enclave in Pellon or in a more salubrious area of what is a very diverse Calderdale metropolitan district

Any of these situations could influence your perception of the interaction of the ethnic pakistani moslem
community with other socio-ethnic groups in Calderdale. I seem to remember Calderdale having more BNP councillors than Bradford, so I would guess there is some grassroots tension between those groupings over where you live.

[b]What I will say is, if you don't live in Bradford, don't try and tell local residents what the situation here is really like and how they should think.[/b]

[bowes]

Your views on what is and isn't far right cannot be taken seriously.

Nor are yours given how often you throw them around.

There's no clear definition of far right as in economic terms fascism is left wing, and if you're talking oppressiveness and bigotry then Communism would be far right based on the USSR's treatment of minorities. In economic terms far right would perhaps be tea party but they also have libertarian streaks so not easy to define.

As to the EDL they are neither far right nor racist properly defined (religion isn't race and they have no political leaning as a single issue group) However, they have many bigots and extremists with regards to that one issue and plenty of yobs. But Stalin had far more strong views on that single issue of being anti-Muslim and he wasn't far right

[Phil]

I dont know, but wouldn't mind betting that those three areas of Birmingham also have proportionally-high populations of ethnic-Pakistani moslems.

You don't know but are prepared to make a guess about the situation in a city 125 miles away based on what you perceive to be behaviours associated with ethnicity, not racist? Yet you tell me not to make judgements about what people in Bradford may or may not believe on the basis that I don't live there.


I'm from Halifax, have always lived there and have never lived anywhere else, so your attempt to show that I am unfamiliar with asian populations fails.

You then try to justify your racism by asking which part of the town I come from the "asian enclave" or a "more salubrious area" I live about 1/2 mile from the old Thrum hall ground which puts me firmly within the "asian enclave" want to know which street?

Your claim to not be a racist doesn't add up to me

Edited by Phil, 13 December 2010 - 08:00 PM.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

[/b]

[b]What I will say is, if you don't live in Bradford, don't try and tell local residents what the situation here is really like and how they should think.[/b]

presumably from now on you wont make comments or have opinions about anywhere else but bradford since you dont live anywhere else

[Wolford6]

You don't know but are prepared to make a guess about the situation in a city 125 miles away based on what you perceive to be behaviours associated with ethnicity, not racist? Yet you tell me not to make judgements about what people in Bradford may or may not believe on the basis that I don't live there.

A brief internet trawl:


Top 5 uninsured driver hotspots in the UK:
Barkerend, Bradford
West Gorton, Manchester
Small Heath, Birmingham
Handsworth, Birmingham
Saltley, Birmingham



Handsworth Ethnicity:
About four fifths (82.6%) of the population in Lozells and East
Handsworth is of non-white ethnicity (i.e. Black and Minority
Ethnicity (BME) Group. Within the BME group, Pakistanis
represents 24%, Indian 17.9% and Black Caribbean 16%.


Prospectus for Saltley School:
Saltley is an inner city multi-cultural community. The largest single ethnic group having its origins in the Mirpuri region of Pakistan

Wikipedia Smallheath:
Majority of the residents are of South Asian origin, mainly of Pakistani (51%) and Bangladeshi (9%) descent, while people of White British ethnicity is 22%. Majority are also Muslim, there are many mosques in the area,

[Phil]

A brief internet trawl:


Top 5 uninsured driver hotspots in the UK:
Barkerend, Bradford
West Gorton, Manchester
Small Heath, Birmingham
Handsworth, Birmingham
Saltley, Birmingham



Handsworth Ethnicity:
About four fifths (82.6%) of the population in Lozells and East
Handsworth is of non-white ethnicity (i.e. Black and Minority
Ethnicity (BME) Group. Within the BME group, Pakistanis
represents 24%, Indian 17.9% and Black Caribbean 16%.


Prospectus for Saltley School:
Saltley is an inner city multi-cultural community. The largest single ethnic group having its origins in the Mirpuri region of Pakistan

Wikipedia Smallheath:
Majority of the residents are of South Asian origin, mainly of Pakistani (51%) and Bangladeshi (9%) descent, while people of White British ethnicity is 22%. Majority are also Muslim, there are many mosques in the area,

and your conclusion is?

[ckn]

I think that's enough. A mixture of internet hardman, barely suppressed anger at the world at large, arrogance and deliberate misinterpretation of posts.

I think the big stick is going to come out soon to give us a Christmas of peace away from those people.