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[l'angelo mysterioso]

Who is this 'large proportion' who won't be welcome?

Should a sport ever award its major events to countries which decree that homosexuality is illegal?

women for a start-not as equals anyway.

[Kiwi-Capper_merged]

Who is this 'large proportion' who won't be welcome?

Should a sport ever award its major events to countries which decree that homosexuality is illegal?

No. Not if they claim not to discriminate as pointed out above.

For Blatter* to then go on and make flippant remarks about homosexuals refraining from sex during the world cup is beyond stupid.

*added in edit

Edited by Kiwi-Capper_merged, 14 December 2010 - 08:03 PM.

[exxile]

No.

Homosexual acts are also illegal in Samoa, Tonga, the Cook Islands and PNG. Where would you hold the Pacific Cup?

[bowes]

Homosexual acts are also illegal in Samoa, Tonga, the Cook Islands and PNG. Where would you hold the Pacific Cup?

Fiji?

Shocked about Cook Islands given it's a NZ territory but guess Isle of Man banned homosexuality til 1994

[scrape_goose]

Sepp Blatter a fool and a hypocrite, who'd have thought it??

Does this mean that FIFA condone discrimination against homosexuals?

I think Qatar is one of the more liberal of the Gulf nations, I am sure I head during the aftermath of the bid results that on a news channel it said that women have the vote in Qatar. But I also heard at the weekend that Qatar was hoping that some of it's neighbours such as Saudi Arabia may host some of the games.

So not only have FIFA awarded the 2022 World Cup to a country that discriminates against people based on there sexuality. It has also awarded the world cup toa country that now seems notable to host the competition on it's own and is asking help from neighbouring countries who have appalling human rights records.

Nice one FIFA.

[exxile]

Sepp Blatter a fool and a hypocrite, who'd have thought it??

Does this mean that FIFA condone discrimination against homosexuals?

I think Qatar is one of the more liberal of the Gulf nations, I am sure I head during the aftermath of the bid results that on a news channel it said that women have the vote in Qatar. But I also heard at the weekend that Qatar was hoping that some of it's neighbours such as Saudi Arabia may host some of the games.

So not only have FIFA awarded the 2022 World Cup to a country that discriminates against people based on there sexuality. It has also awarded the world cup toa country that now seems notable to host the competition on it's own and is asking help from neighbouring countries who have appalling human rights records.

Nice one FIFA.

All Muslim nations discriminate against homosexuals to a greater or lesser degree, with the death penalty still in place in at least 5 countries.

So, on this rationale, you could not award the World Cup, Olympics or other sporting event to a Muslim nation. It is that simple.

Only Israel in the Middle East is fully tolerant on this issue.

I'm sure l'angelo, Weary Rhino and Millman will be along in a minute to suggest moving the 2022 World Cup to Israel.

[Millman]

I suggest that the 2022 world cup should be moved to Israel.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I'm sure l'angelo, Weary Rhino and Millman will be along in a minute to suggest moving the 2022 World Cup to Israel.

don't put words into peoples' mouths: you are neither insighful enough nor articulate enough.
I couldn't care less where they have their world cup, why would I want it to be in Israel or anywhere else? Although I am grateful it isn't coming here.

The assumption you make in that grubby little comment is that the people you mention despite the evidence to the contrary, including this thread, is that people are ok with the way islamic countries behave but not Israel: the trouble is I don't think this is even the nadir of your benighted little mindset.

[Shadow]

I think Exxile makes a very interesting and valid point.
We accept behaviour from many nations that is illegal within our own, a case in point being the outrageous discrimination against Homosexuals, yet other nations are pilloried for similar activities.

A major international sporting and economic boycott was mobilised against South Africa's previous abhorrent regime, we are encouraged by various worthy and notable celebs and journos to protest against Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians yet when it comes to discrimination on the grounds of sexuality we are happy to trade with and compete against and in countries that hold views that would be untenable in Europe, Australasia or the USA.

Any ideas why? It can't just be Oil, it doesn't apply in most cases.

[T-Dub]

Not my thoughts but I suppose FIFAs logic could be that general freedom of speech is a bigger human right than issues such as gay tolerance and the IOC still thought it acceptable to stage the last Olympics in China, so whats the problem?

[Shadow]

Not my thoughts but I suppose FIFAs logic could be that general freedom of speech is a bigger human right than issues such as gay tolerance and the IOC still thought it acceptable to stage the last Olympics in China, so whats the problem?

The IOC were given assurances by the Chinese Government that Human Rights issues would be addressed.
Some might call the IOC naive for believing this pack of lies position but at least they were given the assurances, the logic that FIFA used would (in my opinion) be best described as Greed.
To suggest that they have any high morals about freedom of speech (which considering they selected Qatar and Russia must be questionable anyway) is laughable.

I do realise you specifically did say they weren't your views.

[Bob8]

It could be the human rights and anti-discrimination thing are just words and neither FIFA nor the IOC actually give a stuff.

Just throwing it out there.

[Stevo]

It could be the human rights and anti-discrimination thing are just words and neither FIFA nor the IOC actually give a stuff.

Just throwing it out there.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I think Exxile makes a very interesting and valid point.
We accept behaviour from many nations that is illegal within our own, a case in point being the outrageous discrimination against Homosexuals, yet other nations are pilloried for similar activities.

A major international sporting and economic boycott was mobilised against South Africa's previous abhorrent regime, we are encouraged by various worthy and notable celebs and journos to protest against Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians yet when it comes to discrimination on the grounds of sexuality we are happy to trade with and compete against and in countries that hold views that would be untenable in Europe, Australasia or the USA.

Any ideas why? It can't just be Oil, it doesn't apply in most cases.

some people do as you say, but not everybody qv. It is wrong to assume that 'we' do. Exxile was pinning that label on individuals

[Shadow]

some people do as you say, but not everybody qv. It is wrong to assume that 'we' do. Exxile was pinning that label on individuals

I meant "we" as a society / nation not as individuals.

I didn't read Exxile's post in that way

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I meant "we" as a society / nation not as individuals.

I didn't read Exxile's post in that way

check the last sentence of his post on 3.07pm

[Shadow]

check the last sentence of his post on 3.07pm

I did, it seemed to me to reference the ongoing dispute between you (plus a few others)
He didn't at any time say that he accused you and the others of pandering to these unpleasant regimes whilst opposing other equally unpleasant systems.
I would take the advice tacitly offered in the post at 3.21pm and not try to put words into other peoples mouths

[bowes]

I think Exxile makes a very interesting and valid point.
We accept behaviour from many nations that is illegal within our own, a case in point being the outrageous discrimination against Homosexuals, yet other nations are pilloried for similar activities.

A major international sporting and economic boycott was mobilised against South Africa's previous abhorrent regime, we are encouraged by various worthy and notable celebs and journos to protest against Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians yet when it comes to discrimination on the grounds of sexuality we are happy to trade with and compete against and in countries that hold views that would be untenable in Europe, Australasia or the USA.

Any ideas why? It can't just be Oil, it doesn't apply in most cases.

Colonial guilt perhaps? People saw more of ourselves in apartheid South Africa and do now in Israel than they do in Muslim states IMO. The fact that Turkey was a colonial power and the Muslim world had a slave trade of Africans every bit as horrific as ours doesn't seem to come into it

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I did, it seemed to me to reference the ongoing dispute between you (plus a few others)
He didn't at any time say that he accused you and the others of pandering to these unpleasant regimes whilst opposing other equally unpleasant systems.
I would take the advice tacitly offered in the post at 3.21pm and not try to put words into other peoples mouths

it's clear that he is accusing people of standards for one form of regime and another for another; the record shows that this is rubbish

[Shadow]

it's clear that he is accusing people of standards for one form of regime and another for another; the record shows that this is rubbish

If you say so, but that is a peripheral issue, what do you think about the issue he raises?
Should we oppose sporting contact with all regimes that are not free open democracies with a good record on civil rights?
Should we as RL supporters (and I'll take the liberty of including myself in that group) lobby the RLIF to cease all contact with Lebanon until they address the issues of Palestinian rights
Should we refuse any contact with Papua New Guinea until they legalise Homosexuality?
Should I as a RU supporter lobby the RFU not to play in the Hong Kong or Dubai Sevens?