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[Rubber Schnib]

... along with over 10 others.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-12143774

Bloody hell.

[Bedford Roughyed]

http://www.huffingto...n_n_511433.html

She was a target to Palin...

[bigred]

http://www.huffingto...n_n_511433.html

She was a target to Palin...

Surely someone hasn't taken Palin's targets literally!!

[Bulletproof]

Surely someone hasn't taken Palin's targets literally!!

Don't retreat, reload.

She actually had a poster of a list of people who voted for a change in the health care bill. The unfortunate congresswoman is on it. And next to each persons name, a target.

I'm not saying this man was motivated by Palin or had anything to do with her, but there has been blatant stirring and provocation emanating from her fox sponsored associates for quite some time and it needs to stop. It is not fair politics, it is scare mongering.

[Bitofaboogie]

This kind of thing is on its way to this country soon, don't worry about that.

Politics in America is driven by the hate-filled rantings of Fox TV, talk back radio and the low-tax, gun-loving, individual freedom lobby - most of them are crackpots as this unfortunate lady and 18 others have just found out. We have a few of them in this forum peddling their nonsense already and characterising anyone who disagrees with them as bleeding hearts, tree-huggers or out-and-out communists.

Once the dodgy deal that Cameron has done with Murdoch comes to fruition in this country, we are going to be overrun by oceans of the same kind of nutters, all foaming at the mouth, their anger ramped up by the calculated, on-air rantings of media savvy fascists defending our rights to spend, consume and defend against the "dangers" posed by our neighbours whilst at the same time crushing the real freedoms that might have a chance of keeping all of us relatively safe and prosperous.

It's time to grow up - the cliff-edge is getting closer every day.

[Haloman]

This kind of thing is on its way to this country soon, don't worry about that.

Politics in America is driven by the hate-filled rantings of Fox TV, talk back radio and the low-tax, gun-loving, individual freedom lobby - most of them are crackpots as this unfortunate lady and 18 others have just found out. We have a few of them in this forum peddling their nonsense already and characterising anyone who disagrees with them as bleeding hearts, tree-huggers or out-and-out communists.

Once the dodgy deal that Cameron has done with Murdoch comes to fruition in this country, we are going to be overrun by oceans of the same kind of nutters, all foaming at the mouth, their anger ramped up by the calculated, on-air rantings of media savvy fascists defending our rights to spend, consume and defend against the "dangers" posed by our neighbours whilst at the same time crushing the real freedoms that might have a chance of keeping all of us relatively safe and prosperous.

It's time to grow up - the cliff-edge is getting closer every day.

I think it's far more likely that religious fundamentalists will be responsible for deaths, by following their anti-libertarian unbending and prescribed dogma and insisting the rest of us bow down to their ideology instead.

Indeed, since 7/7, I think us libertarians have a lot of catching up to do on the slaughter stakes, don't you? Should we start right away, do you think? We wouldn't want to get left behind now, would we?

I think we have a lot to thank New Labour for with their banal multicultural ethos, driven more by electorally motivated gerrymandering than actually forging sustainable social cohesion. We've already seen the successful importing of electoral corruption methods into the UK from south Asia, how long before we see the sort of political intolerance which Salmaan Taseer has recently experienced as the norm?

No, I think you are looking in the wrong direction. Feel free to demonise me for carrying a Swiss Army Knife, won't you? I know it gives you so much pleasure. But I find it so useful to have to hand when building straw men, I'm sure you'd love one if you would just give it a try. Your straw men are so much bigger than mine.

[nagoya]

This kind of thing is on its way to this country soon, don't worry about that.

Politics in America is driven by the hate-filled rantings of Fox TV, talk back radio and the low-tax, gun-loving, individual freedom lobby - most of them are crackpots as this unfortunate lady and 18 others have just found out. We have a few of them in this forum peddling their nonsense already and characterising anyone who disagrees with them as bleeding hearts, tree-huggers or out-and-out communists.

Once the dodgy deal that Cameron has done with Murdoch comes to fruition in this country, we are going to be overrun by oceans of the same kind of nutters, all foaming at the mouth, their anger ramped up by the calculated, on-air rantings of media savvy fascists defending our rights to spend, consume and defend against the "dangers" posed by our neighbours whilst at the same time crushing the real freedoms that might have a chance of keeping all of us relatively safe and prosperous.

It's time to grow up - the cliff-edge is getting closer every day.

So the Murdoch deal has a clause which also allows newscorp to sell semi-automatic weapons to anyone who subscribes to most SkyTV packages?

[Bitofaboogie]

I think it's far more likely that religious fundamentalists will be responsible for deaths, by following their anti-libertarian unbending and prescribed dogma and insisting the rest of us bow down to their ideology instead.

Indeed, since 7/7, I think us libertarians have a lot of catching up to do on the slaughter stakes, don't you? Should we start right away, do you think? We wouldn't want to get left behind now, would we?

I think we have a lot to thank New Labour for with their banal multicultural ethos, driven more by electorally motivated gerrymandering than actually forging sustainable social cohesion. We've already seen the successful importing of electoral corruption methods into the UK from south Asia, how long before we see the sort of political intolerance which Salmaan Taseer has recently experienced as the norm?

No, I think you are looking in the wrong direction. Feel free to demonise me for carrying a Swiss Army Knife, won't you? I know it gives you so much pleasure. But I find it so useful to have to hand when building straw men, I'm sure you'd love one if you would just give it a try. Your straw men are so much bigger than mine.

Religious fundamentalists or libertarian fundamentalists, there isn't much between you and them as far as I can see.

Before you start pointing the fiinger at the death-dealing of religious fundamentalists perhaps you should have a look at the figures for gunshot deaths in the US on a yearly basis or even better try and find some estimates for the numbers of non-combatant casualties in the wars that libertarian fundamentalists have been waging against religious fundamentalists recently. Still, a few people are making a good living out of this particular little shenanigans and so long as they're still paying the mortgage they're certainly not going to be grumbling, are they??

As regards social cohesion, the biggest thing that has led to its breakdown in this country is the growth of individualism and personal choice, the aspirational society and the inevitable, ingrained and unbreakable inequality that it brings along with it.

As regards electoral fraud, politicians like Clegg and Cameron don't need any lessons from South Asia - the first thing they did when they came to power was to negate the possiblity of a successful no-confidence vote in their illegitimate government by upping the necessary parliamentary threshold from 50% + 1 to 50% of MP's.

And by the way, I've got the sense to look both ways when I'm crossing the road, especially when people like you are using it.

[Bitofaboogie]

So the Murdoch deal has a clause which also allows newscorp to sell semi-automatic weapons to anyone who subscribes to most SkyTV packages?

No. it doesn't but its political agenda may cause people to demand the right to own semi-automatic weapons in this country, a right that they don't have at the moment.

[WearyRhino]

I think it's far more likely that religious fundamentalists will be responsible for deaths, by following their anti-libertarian unbending and prescribed dogma and insisting the rest of us bow down to their ideology instead.

Indeed, since 7/7, I think us libertarians have a lot of catching up to do on the slaughter stakes, don't you? Should we start right away, do you think? We wouldn't want to get left behind now, would we?

I think we have a lot to thank New Labour for with their banal multicultural ethos, driven more by electorally motivated gerrymandering than actually forging sustainable social cohesion. We've already seen the successful importing of electoral corruption methods into the UK from south Asia, how long before we see the sort of political intolerance which Salmaan Taseer has recently experienced as the norm?

No, I think you are looking in the wrong direction. Feel free to demonise me for carrying a Swiss Army Knife, won't you? I know it gives you so much pleasure. But I find it so useful to have to hand when building straw men, I'm sure you'd love one if you would just give it a try. Your straw men are so much bigger than mine.

It wasn't worth posting once let alone twice.

So you're a "libertarian" - I wondered what you were.

[WearyRhino]

.... wars that libertarian fundamentalists have been waging against religious fundamentalists recently. Still, a few people are making a good living out of this particular little shenanigans and so long as they're still paying the mortgage they're certainly not going to be grumbling, are they??

Now really!! What sort of person would possibly be so immoral as to make money out of a war waged in a foreign land?

[nagoya]

No. it doesn't but its political agenda may cause people to demand the right to own semi-automatic weapons in this country, a right that they don't have at the moment.

So you believe there is a massive call for the right to bear arms in the UK?

[Roy Boy]

I've long been in favour of political assassination...

It's the only real way to get the politicians to do as they are asked by those that voted them in power, rather than them gaining power and then telling us what we will do!

It's been far too long since any political figure in the UK was shot by disgruntled voters and the sooner someone pops a few off the sooner we might get real politicians instead of university groomed, self serving tw*ts that proliferate the political system in this country!!!

Any way - gotta go, Zebs waiting for me on the porch!

[Bedford Roughyed]

Now really!! What sort of person would possibly be so immoral as to make money out of a war waged in a foreign land?

Yes much better to stay on the dole, lose home, have no savings to replace lost pension...

Snide comments on someone doing whatever he can to secure his future is not on. Pull apart his political views all you want, personal jibes are just below the belt.

[Bitofaboogie]

So you believe there is a massive call for the right to bear arms in the UK?

I think that it is likely that the call for such a right will be become louder if people were wound up in the country by Fox TV and the like should the relevant broadcasting safeguards be removed.

[Bitofaboogie]

Yes much better to stay on the dole, lose home, have no savings to replace lost pension...

Snide comments on someone doing whatever he can to secure his future is not on. Pull apart his political views all you want, personal jibes are just below the belt.

Politics is a very personal thing and you are very naive if you can't see that this is the case.

[Bedford Roughyed]

No. it doesn't but its political agenda may cause people to demand the right to own semi-automatic weapons in this country, a right that they don't have at the moment.

It's political agenda might do a lot of things or desire to change lots of things (taxation, immigration, public/private ownership, the BBC) but the right to own guns or a change relaxing these laws doesn't even register on the public. Its just not a subject of debate in the UK, its a somewhat non-issue to most.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I've long been in favour of political assassination...

It's the only real way to get the politicians to do as they are asked by those that voted them in power, rather than them gaining power and then telling us what we will do!

It's been far too long since any political figure in the UK was shot by disgruntled voters and the sooner someone pops a few off the sooner we might get real politicians instead of university groomed, self serving tw*ts that proliferate the political system in this country!!!

Any way - gotta go, Zebs waiting for me on the porch!

wasn't one stabbed last year?

[Bitofaboogie]

It's political agenda might do a lot of things or desire to change lots of things (taxation, immigration, public/private ownership, the BBC) but the right to own guns or a change relaxing these laws doesn't even register on the public. Its just not a subject of debate in the UK, its a somewhat non-issue to most.

At the moment you are correct, let's hope it stays that way.

[Bedford Roughyed]

Politics is a very personal thing and you are very naive if you can't see that this is the case.

So open season is allowed? Anyones personal circumstances fair game on here?