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[Blind side johnny]

http://www.therfl.co...s/article/20862

Discuss!

[S.T.R]

don`t you think we should wait until there is something to discuss, other than heresay and speculation

[Ramite]

All seems pretty vague at this stage. Although talk of relegation between confernce and championship one would kill the teams off that went down. It could be that the RFL want to create a Super League 2 with no P and R.

[S.T.R]

It won`t make an ha-peth of difference what we on the forums say, and even if the clubs don`t like the proposals
The teflon coated know it all`s at Redhall will do exactly what they want and sod the lot of us

[Blind side johnny]

It won`t make an ha-peth of difference what we on the forums say, and even if the clubs don`t like the proposals
The teflon coated know it all`s at Redhall will do exactly what they want and sod the lot of us

Is that hearsay or speculation STR?

[STEVE P]

Do you have an opinion on this BSJ, or did you just post it to draw out other peoples emotive opinions so you could have a go at them?

In the League Express yesterday it also spoke about access to the Championship being dependant on geographic location. The way it put it suggested that a Championship which included Dewsbury, Batley and Hunslet, for example, would be too colloquial and may not be accepted.

This man Rimmer seems to be able to quote whole paragraphs of business cliches which say lots, but mean nothing or anything.

I have no inside knowledge and I wouldn't want to speculate nor do I have my own master plan for the future of the game, but the fact is that the whole thing makes me groan.

[Blind side johnny]

Do you have an opinion on this BSJ, or did you just post it to draw out other peoples emotive opinions so you could have a go at them?

In the League Express yesterday it also spoke about access to the Championship being dependant on geographic location. The way it put it suggested that a Championship which included Dewsbury, Batley and Hunslet, for example, would be too colloquial and may not be accepted.

This man Rimmer seems to be able to quote whole paragraphs of business cliches which say lots, but mean nothing or anything.

I have no inside knowledge and I wouldn't want to speculate nor do I have my own master plan for the future of the game, but the fact is that the whole thing makes me groan.

I do have a view yes Steve which I had posted on the Batley forum; this forum seems to be almost moribund nowadays.

In general I do believe that the Championship was getting stale and in danger of drifting off the radar certainly after the franchise decisions are made. We have suffered greatly from clubs drifting into administration mostly because of very poor management so this also needed addressing. As far as I can see the clubs have been consulted extensively, although they seem to be far too quiet on the subject for my liking.

The idea of developing Championship franchises had been floated previously and this seems to be aimed towards that; I can see no logiical reason why this shouldn't be so nor do I see any threat towards those clubs currently in the Championship. The timescale is interesting as my interpretation, backed simply by my own speculation, is that we may see no club being relegated this year, or at the most one. Otherwise we would have the situation where two clubs would go down then five come up - neither practical nor likely in my view. The main threat will be towards those clubs currently languishing in CC1 who may find themselves marooned in that division into the future. I believe that CC1 as a semi-pro division has a very limited future with low crowds and a possibly fatalistic mindset developing; I hope that I'm wrong.

Overall, fans had been calling for a bigger CC (up from 11 to 14) for the NRC to be played within the normal season and, in some cases, for proper minimum standards to be set. This proposal seems to meet those requirements. Many fans, for whatever reason, seem to believe that there is a malignant intent within the RFl to "do down" the lesser clubs. Our chairman has told us many times that this isn't so and these proposals seem to justify his comments. I am sure, however, that there will be a large number who will never be convinced of this.

[Piggy's mate]

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I do have a view yes Steve which I had posted on the Batley forum; this forum seems to be almost moribund nowadays.

Your post is articulate and makes sence as always BSJ it is just a shame your a Rams supporter

[Ossy]

"I do have a view yes Steve which I had posted on the Batley forum; this forum seems to be almost moribund nowadays." - BSJ

It's certainly been quiet of late BSJ, but for myself I'm simply waiting for the new season to throw up some meaningful games. I can't make Toulouse, so for me that will be at home against The Cougars. In the meantime I'm simply watching what's going on in Superleague, first the Crusaders and now the Wildcats are in financial difficulty, and there's only a few days left to the start of a new season.

There's been a bit of sense talked on this subject, though I can't help wondering how much notice the RFL will pay to it. The game has problems, and not all of them are financial ones I'm afraid. Call me cynical if you like, or maybe I've just been around too long, but if the controlling body sets the rules, they should also have the bottle to make sure they're adhered to by all clubs, not just by those in the lower divisions.

I would HATE to see the likes of Wakefield go to the wall, after all I still remember watching players such as Neil Fox, David Topliss and Jack Wilkinson both at Crown Flatt and Belle Vue. But how long will this thing be allowed to drag on? There's still no sign of the promised new stadium, and with £300k owed in unpaid tax I can't see any way that's going to happen in the foreseeable future. In my opinion it's time the RFL sorted things out, not just for the Wildcats but for all the professional sides. I also tend to agree that the size of the Leagues need sorting once and for all, not just juggled about with a season at a time. Unfortunately I just don't see it happening.

My team is Dewsbury Rams and that won't change. However my wife and I also travel to as many away games as we can, which means supporting all the clubs we compete with. The Rams survival means nothing if too many others go down the pan. So roll on the Cougars, and I hope the Rams give us something to shout about both then and for the rest of the season.

Oz

[Shipley Ram]

In the League Express yesterday it also spoke about access to the Championship being dependant on geographic location. The way it put it suggested that a Championship which included Dewsbury, Batley and Hunslet, for example, would be too colloquial and may not be accepted.

If that was the case, surely Dewsbury and Batley would have better grounds to be in the championship than Hunslet based on Recent performance, Fanbase and stadia

[S.T.R]

Is that hearsay or speculation STR?

No, that`s just my personal opinion which like any other member I am entitled to

[YOUNG UN]

"I do have a view yes Steve which I had posted on the Batley forum; this forum seems to be almost moribund nowadays." - BSJ

It's certainly been quiet of late BSJ, but for myself I'm simply waiting for the new season to throw up some meaningful games. I can't make Toulouse, so for me that will be at home against The Cougars. In the meantime I'm simply watching what's going on in Superleague, first the Crusaders and now the Wildcats are in financial difficulty, and there's only a few days left to the start of a new season.

There's been a bit of sense talked on this subject, though I can't help wondering how much notice the RFL will pay to it. The game has problems, and not all of them are financial ones I'm afraid. Call me cynical if you like, or maybe I've just been around too long, but if the controlling body sets the rules, they should also have the bottle to make sure they're adhered to by all clubs, not just by those in the lower divisions.

I would HATE to see the likes of Wakefield go to the wall, after all I still remember watching players such as Neil Fox, David Topliss and Jack Wilkinson both at Crown Flatt and Belle Vue. But how long will this thing be allowed to drag on? There's still no sign of the promised new stadium, and with £300k owed in unpaid tax I can't see any way that's going to happen in the foreseeable future. In my opinion it's time the RFL sorted things out, not just for the Wildcats but for all the professional sides. I also tend to agree that the size of the Leagues need sorting once and for all, not just juggled about with a season at a time. Unfortunately I just don't see it happening.

My team is Dewsbury Rams and that won't change. However my wife and I also travel to as many away games as we can, which means supporting all the clubs we compete with. The Rams survival means nothing if too many others go down the pan. So roll on the Cougars, and I hope the Rams give us something to shout about both then and for the rest of the season.

Oz

I too would hate to see Wakefield go to the wall but I, on no account, feel sorry for them. I saw Dewsbury, Hunslet and Keighley qualify for SL by winning a championship final and due to financial mismanagement by the directors at the time or ground problems, none were allowed to take their rightful place in SL. Those decisions were correct and I have no argument with them. But Wakefield have had the backing of SL money for many years, by default, and it is quite obvious that they too are victims of financial mismanagement, not to mention the ground. As the rules currently stand they will automatically lose their place SL in 2012 and it is not before time! A lot of championship clubs are now being handled by prudent businessmen and I am sure some of our current SL clubs would be well advised to take a lesson or two.

[John North]

Lets not forget that Wakefields promotion to the Top Division was earned on the back of a fist full of lies.
They promised to give the lower leagues a voice at the top table if we backed their entry.
They subsequently voted against every other team that earned the right to apply for membership of the elite league.

Id sooner throw my money into Batley than see Wakefield bailed out AGAIN.

[STEVE P]

Lets not forget that Wakefields promotion to the Top Division was earned on the back of a fist full of lies.
They promised to give the lower leagues a voice at the top table if we backed their entry.
They subsequently voted against every other team that earned the right to apply for membership of the elite league.

Id sooner throw my money into Batley than see Wakefield bailed out AGAIN.

Much as I hate to see clubs that were once the back bone of the game in trouble I have to agree. I seem to remember a time a few years ago when the ratepayers of Wakefield, of whom I am one, were helping in bailing the club out of a financial hole. At the same time the directors announced that they had had a whip round and were paying for Wally Lewis to come and play half a dozen or so games for the club. Not much changes.

[grumpyoldram]

Much as I hate to see clubs that were once the back bone of the game in trouble I have to agree. I seem to remember a time a few years ago when the ratepayers of Wakefield, of whom I am one, were helping in bailing the club out of a financial hole. At the same time the directors announced that they had had a whip round and were paying for Wally Lewis to come and play half a dozen or so games for the club. Not much changes.

On the other hand they seem to be a bit more amenable than Bradford player wise, to give us a helping hand. I would hate to see them go, having supported them until my 'road to damascus' style conversion to dewsbury in the sixties,

[S.T.R]

On the other hand they seem to be a bit more amenable than Bradford player wise, to give us a helping hand. I would hate to see them go, having supported them until my 'road to damascus' style conversion to dewsbury in the sixties,

But if they went to the wall, said players would become free agents looking for clubs

Just think though you could have been Grumpy old cat if you had stayed with `em