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[BatleyFanAndy]

We can not. blame the ref for our loss today as we were not the team we have been the last few weeks. However he did have a very bad game himself! He had no control over the 2 teams.
What are your thoughts?

[London Dick]

An awful lot of penalties. no consistency, wrong options taken, but enough about us, the topic is Ganson.

That man loves the sound of his own whistle. The ref and the conditions were the same for both sides. We were beaten by a dominant pack which in turn gave the halfbacks the freedom they needed. Leigh were very smart and played a very clever game. Today was a good yard stick and has brought us back down to earth with bump. The grip on the trophy has been loosened but we can still qualify for the knockouts.

[Robin Evans]

speaking as a neutral:-
The ref - whistler happy at times - typical Ganson. Give him an opportunity to whistle and he will! Both teams were dumb enough at times to test that theory. A touch pedantic and some decidions lacked clarity. But we've seen enough of him to know how he refs a game. It's daft to keep chelping back at him!!

The conditions - Terrible. But Batley appeared to have a game plan. unfortunately when it didn't yeild any results they didn't appear to have a plan B! The more expansive, composed and intelligent rugby came from Leigh. Defensively Bately looked disrupted and didn't keep their pattern at times. Offensively it was pretty much one out stuff! When Batley tried to expand mistakes were a plenty. Leigh on t'other hand were able to get it wider and create more pressure on the Batley outside 4!

The result was about right and reflected the game as this neutral saw it!

[AlanE]

At this stage last season, we (Leigh) beat Featherstone 36-6 - and look what happened after that! Keep the faith - we are still very wary of Batley - our bogey team.

[Bat Lad]

Thanks for those optimistic words alan, but the pre season friendlies gave us some hope of a good season to follow.
Today was poor, we didn't look owt like what we were in previous game's. Thought the ref was poor but for both sides.
A trip to Blackpool again looks a long way off now.

[distantdog]

speaking as a neutral:-
The ref - whistler happy at times - typical Ganson. Give him an opportunity to whistle and he will! Both teams were dumb enough at times to test that theory. A touch pedantic and some decidions lacked clarity. But we've seen enough of him to know how he refs a game. It's daft to keep chelping back at him!!

The conditions - Terrible. But Batley appeared to have a game plan. unfortunately when it didn't yeild any results they didn't appear to have a plan B! The more expansive, composed and intelligent rugby came from Leigh. Defensively Bately looked disrupted and didn't keep their pattern at times. Offensively it was pretty much one out stuff! When Batley tried to expand mistakes were a plenty. Leigh on t'other hand were able to get it wider and create more pressure on the Batley outside 4!

The result was about right and reflected the game as this neutral saw it!

Ganson played no part in the result other than from the dismissal of Mennel led directly to their try.

I actually thought at half time that we had a really decent, if undeserved chance to win. The second 20 in the first half was defensively ok. What was disappointing for me was our complete lack of ideas going forward and our lack of discipline. After our try early in the second half, I expected to go on and apply lots more pressure, but we did not respect possession nor the referee.

No-one stood out in attack and we made little of the clear advantages of the slope and gale going down hill.

Still, next week is another game and a difference performance is expected.

[9' oller]

Leigh games are always difficult as are the valliant efforts of haring up the soggy hill into the oncoming wind and onrushing pack.

Never seemed in the game today and that man ganson makes ronnie and hewer look like closet batley fans!

defence and game plan resilience was always going to be the key today, although i would prefer the little slip ups to happen now rather than 3-4 games down the line?

[charlie caroli]

Well lads as i said it was going to be a close game ,and a CERT Leigh win , right on BOTH counts , i agree Ganson had a bad game but i thoght he gave the Dogs more Pens , it was a Red card no doubt,but i thought our pack was very good today, i DO hope you bounce back though , im sure you will ,you are not a bad team ,again as ive said before,but today was about us ,Leigh played well , im a PROUD LEYTHER,tonight.

[9' oller]

close game,
a CERT Leigh win ,
right on BOTH counts ,
i thoght he gave the Dogs more Pens ,
it was a Red card no doubt,
i thought our pack was very good today,
you are not a bad team ,
today was about us ,Leigh played well , im a PROUD LEYTHER,tonight.

Arrogance is a trait this lad is familiar with! hell fire

[charlie caroli]

Arrogance is a trait this lad is familiar with! hell fire

You cant deny any of the statements i make are not true , you were beaten by a BETTER Leigh team ,i dont think even you Dogs fans will deny this ?As for Arrogance,not from me it may sound like that to you ,but i had expected a Sterner test,again you may have to beat Fax ,or no Charlie Land for you this year, now THATS ARROGANCE.

[Chairman LMAO]

You cant deny any of the statements i make are not true , you were beaten by a BETTER Leigh team ,i dont think even you Dogs fans will deny this ?As for Arrogance,not from me it may sound like that to you ,but i had expected a Sterner test,again you may have to beat Fax ,or no Charlie Land for you this year, now THATS ARROGANCE.

I can certainly deny that Mennell should have been sent off. Even objectively, it was never a red card - your lad ducked into the tackle and, TBF, several Centurions should have been cooling off in the sin bin in the last quarter of the game.

That said, Leigh more than deserved the victory and would have won comfortably no matter who was in the middle. I love your humility, Charlie - but good luck for the season anyway.

[Leyther_Matt]

I can certainly deny that Mennell should have been sent off. Even objectively, it was never a red card - your lad ducked into the tackle and, TBF, several Centurions should have been cooling off in the sin bin in the last quarter of the game.

As I've said on another thread, it certainly wasn't malicious but you've no chance in this day and age of getting away with sticking your forearm across someone's chops with a lazy arm when they've stepped inside you.

The win was far more simple than I could have dreamed of. As Alan mentioned, Batley are a real bogey team for us at home, never mind away, so any win at the Mount is a very welcome one. Still a LONG time to go in the season so certainly not the time to panic about your performance.

[charlie caroli]

I can certainly deny that Mennell should have been sent off. Even objectively, it was never a red card - your lad ducked into the tackle and, TBF, several Centurions should have been cooling off in the sin bin in the last quarter of the game.

That said, Leigh more than deserved the victory and would have won comfortably no matter who was in the middle. I love your humility, Charlie - but good luck for the season anyway.

Thanks for your good wishes Mr Chairman ,dont get me wrong ,i like Batley ,and i love coming to the Mount ,i still thought Mr Mennell got what he deserved , but i still think your not a bad team ,not many will come up here and win , i seriously hope you do well this season ,as i think most Dogs fans are OK i had a goodchat with acouple yesterday ,good luck for the coming Season.Charlie.

[TVBOY]

I can certainly deny that Mennell should have been sent off. Even objectively, it was never a red card - your lad ducked into the tackle and, TBF, several Centurions should have been cooling off in the sin bin in the last quarter of the game.

That said, Leigh more than deserved the victory and would have won comfortably no matter who was in the middle. I love your humility, Charlie - but good luck for the season anyway.

Just watched the game and Mennels high shot was a sending off. Our lad side stepped and Mennel swung out with a clenched fist. Nanyn was unlucky to be sin binned but Staurt should have been binned for the holding down infront of our stick so sort of evens it up. I fear one of your lads will be up infront of the commitee for the tackle on Jimmy Taylor. I would expect two games for him and Mennel. I have watched some of your pse season stuff and yesterday was not a fair view of what Batley can do. Get your chins up Dogs it's only the start of the season.

[Bi11]

"Paul Mennel was harshly sent off for a high tackle" Not my words but those of Dave Craven, the Yorkshire Posts' chief Rugby League reporter. From where I was sat, in the short stand and with a similar view of the the incident to Dave Craven I have to agree with him. I may be wrong (I often am), but I expect to see a 'sending off sufficient' verdict. However, if the first half tackle that saw Goulden (or was it Taylor?) carried off had prompted a red card there would have been no complaint from me. The odd thing was that the ref put the incident that he did see on report, but acted on the incident that he clearly did not see.

Edited by Bi11, 07 February 2011 - 09:47 PM.

[9' oller]

Just watched the game and Mennels high shot was a sending off.

where and how tvboy, is the game online by any chance.

ganson made a poor game worse in my eyes but i would like to review the dumping of taylor and mennels lazy arm tackle again

[frankb]

where and how tvboy, is the game online by any chance.

ganson made a poor game worse in my eyes but i would like to review the dumping of taylor and mennels lazy arm tackle again

It is go to Blip.tv type in Batley Bulldogs v Leigh Centurions and you can watch the whole game. There is no commentary/sound for technical reasons so I reccomend you have your favourite radio station on in the background.

Ganson clearly saw the Mennell incident but was unsighted for the far worse incident when J Taylor was dumped on his head in the first half.

[Terry Chimes]

"Paul Mennel was harshly sent off for a high tackle" Not my words but those of Dave Craven, the Yorkshire Posts' chief Rugby League reporter. From where I was sat, in the short stand and with a similar view of the the incident to Dave Craven I have to agree with him. I may be wrong (I often am), but I expect to see a 'sending off sufficient' verdict. However, if the first half tackle that saw Goulden (or was it Taylor?) carried off had prompted a red card there would have been no complaint from me. The odd thing was that the ref put the incident that he did see on report, but acted on the incident that he clearly did not see.

I read Dave Craven's report in the Yorkshire post and I think it was pretty well balanced.

His (and my) conclusions would be:

1) The Leigh forwards domitated ours and the best side won.

2) Steve Ganson had an atrocious game full of flagrant errors and non-decisions.

3) If the RFL are going to change the way the game is refereed, especially around the ruck, can they please tell everyone (especially the players and coaches) before the season starts.

[Sir Jekyll Stocking]

Ganson clearly saw the Mennell incident but was unsighted for the far worse incident when J Taylor was dumped on his head in the first half.

And when Lythes was dumped on HIS head in the second.

[BirstallDog]

just my observations. in my opinion the referee did not take into account the terrible conditions for both sides on sunday. some of the high tackles were clearly a result of the muddy ground under foot.
we were beaten by a better side on the day, who adapted to the conditions a lot better on the day.