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[SINGE]

Chris Hamilton calls for a longer consultation period for the proposed changes:
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Edited by SINGE, 16 February 2011 - 08:32 AM.

[mackin89]

fair points i guess if they get this right it could transform the sport at a semi pro level, lets just hope its not because he is also worried about the clubs ability to meet these new requirements after last weeks interviews to put fans worries at ease.

[roughyedspud]

i think he's saying this cos he knows he's not going to get whitebank upto standard in time

[mackin89]

im guessing there is a period of grace to allow for things to be done, maybe a season atleast be abit manic on a good few clubs if not

[BOLTON ROUGHYED]

Is it just me or, could this be another effort to kill the smaller clubs?

Super duper league don't want the little clubs taking away their potential fans. If, be trying to force these requirements on clubs, they can kill a few off in the process, surely that will be better for them???

[Bedford Roughyed]

Is it just me or, could this be another effort to kill the smaller clubs?

Super duper league don't want the little clubs taking away their potential fans. If, be trying to force these requirements on clubs, they can kill a few off in the process, surely that will be better for them???

Yes opening up the leagues to allow new smaller clubs in and increasing funding to championship clubs and really just a disguise to kill off a few clubs.

Getting clubs to meet minimum standards should be applauded! The clubs in the National Conference league manage to have high standards why can't the supposed league above?

[mackin89]

would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall at todays meeting in leigh and see some kind of summary of the mood of the various clubs, CH seems wary but wonder if others are and thats just the general reaction across the board.. or from our perspective he is worried about being left to die a slow death with expansionist teams with tiny crowds.

[Bedford Roughyed]

would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall at todays meeting in leigh and see some kind of summary of the mood of the various clubs, CH seems wary but wonder if others are and thats just the general reaction across the board.. or from our perspective he is worried about being left to die a slow death with expansionist teams with tiny crowds.

Some clubs will be worried about relegation. Some about the standards required. Some about attendances.

But I don't think a ground capacity of 3000 with 500 seats is too onerous, even for us. The floodlighting might be an issue (it might currently seem bright enough but the Lux value is unknown).

Don't we keep getting told that without promotion and relegation we will die a death? With these changes we will have both in CH1, fans should be rejoicing...

Worry about our own crowds not how many the opposition will bring. The amount of fans the opposition bring should be regarded as a bonus, its the home regular support that you should bank on and aim to build.

[BOLTON ROUGHYED]

Yes opening up the leagues to allow new smaller clubs in and increasing funding to championship clubs and really just a disguise to kill off a few clubs.

Getting clubs to meet minimum standards should be applauded! The clubs in the National Conference league manage to have high standards why can't the supposed league above?

Because there's no money in towns like Oldham ######....

That's why both the towns major sports teams are playing in ramshackle "stadiums" infront of no fans...How can you liken 20 people watching a game on a park to a supposed semi pro game....WAKE UP! The players have to be paid a wage too.

[mackin89]

Some clubs will be worried about relegation. Some about the standards required. Some about attendances.

But I don't think a ground capacity of 3000 with 500 seats is too onerous, even for us. The floodlighting might be an issue (it might currently seem bright enough but the Lux value is unknown).

Don't we keep getting told that without promotion and relegation we will die a death? With these changes we will have both in CH1, fans should be rejoicing...

Worry about our own crowds not how many the opposition will bring. The amount of fans the opposition bring should be regarded as a bonus, its the home regular support that you should bank on and aim to build.

Fair point about sorting our own crowds the clubs presence online such as facebook is encouraging, but crowds would surely be more lucrative and atmospheric for a game versus Leigh or Featherstone rather than warrington wizards (no offense intended to them) the lack of promotion hasn't been a big issue to me as im a relatively new convert to the Roughyeds after years of following football. So ive only seen two failed promotions.

Its all ifs at buts at the moment but if we got minimum facilities built and were to get a place in a reformed championship the income from the rfl will be higher than champ 1 teams will receive, the income from home fans ''should'' be more substantial as you'd hope for a rise in support and also the ability to charge more for bigger teams and because there are better facilities on offer.

Its probably not do or die if we had to stay in champ 1 but it could chuck the club a very useful bone and allow us to build the club more substantially if we got the nod from the off.

[Penfold7]

Yes opening up the leagues to allow new smaller clubs in and increasing funding to championship clubs and really just a disguise to kill off a few clubs.

Getting clubs to meet minimum standards should be applauded! The clubs in the National Conference league manage to have high standards why can't the supposed league above?

That's what it seems like 'Kill of the Clubs that don't meet the Criteria', by reducing their Funding etc.

As mentioned the the Clubs in the National Conference Leagues do manage to have High Standards and in a lot of cases are Run better than some of the Championship 1 Clubs, so why shouldn't the Clubs in the Championship meet the proposed New Standards ?

The RFL are looking at having a Team playing in all areas of the country be it Amateur, Semi-Pro or Pro, and if Criteria isn't met there will obviously be casualties.

If the RFL pulled or reduced Oldham's funding where would they be ?

Seems Ironic that 2 of the Teams fancied to win Championship 1 (Oldham & Swinton) currently don't meet the Criteria for the proposed new Championship in 2012

The 'Forward Thinking by the Club' as been proved to be a Stipulation for the New Criteria for Championship 1 and not something Mr Hamilton came up with !

[Steve the Roughyed]

Some clubs will be worried about relegation. Some about the standards required. Some about attendances.

But I don't think a ground capacity of 3000 with 500 seats is too onerous, even for us. The floodlighting might be an issue (it might currently seem bright enough but the Lux value is unknown).

Don't we keep getting told that without promotion and relegation we will die a death? With these changes we will have both in CH1, fans should be rejoicing...

Worry about our own crowds not how many the opposition will bring. The amount of fans the opposition bring should be regarded as a bonus, its the home regular support that you should bank on and aim to build.

Take the expansionist blinkers off Bedford. It's all about super duper league decided in board rooms. I have paid for my season ticket but feel no motivation to attend because to be honest it's pretty meaningless. It ain't about sport anymore it's about franchises. Game over.

[eclecticsheep]

Setting a standard ground benchmark is all very well for the RFL but it conveniently ignores the facts (That they surely are aware of) that a number of Clubs (including our own) are in no state financially to meet the new standard presently or for that matter "Historically" (to use a CH word).
They cannot be blinkered to the ongoing difficulties that clubs experience perennially when groundsharing with a football team or a rugby union team that puts up the rent...Rimmer has to come up with more than a statute, Money from the RFL has got to be forthcoming and a way to secure the integrity of the RFL`s new Structure/Investment also worked out, a soundbite painting an impossible dream simply isn`t good enough from Ralph Rimmer or acceptable and its no wonder fans think that this is a hatchet job on the NL1 in the making!

[roughyedspud]

theres plenty of other ways for us to get money..ie the national lottery grants,north west development agency,sport england etc.....

[Roughyeds Return]

theres plenty of other ways for us to get money..ie the national lottery grants,north west development agency,sport england etc.....

Less grants around than there used to be, certainly won't get any out of North West Development Agency as this is one of the many quangos shut down by Cameron and Co.

It isn't easy to secure grants as you need to be able to demonstrate that the facilities will be used by the community when we aren't playing and I don't think we can do that at present. Oldham say they have discussed with the RFL's grants team and this is probably the most likely route of funding for ground development, but can't see them having a pot of gold to give us, think it will be relatively minor amounts.

[Shaw Lad]

theres plenty of other ways for us to get money..ie the national lottery grants,north west development agency,sport england etc.....

Will they give grants to private companys?

[eclecticsheep]

A very good question Shaw Lad? Especially in the light of recent postings regarding the "buying of the ground in instalments" made in a RL Publication and on this forum.
One could also ask in theory....Is this apparent scenario one that Rugby Oldham could embrace...Kings and Castles and all that!
The Secret Squirrel would have to be well and truly shot first eh!

[roughyedspud]

what if ORLFC buys the land and then turns it over to RUGBY OLDHAM who then applies for grants to build a 'community stadium'

[Roughyeds Return]

what if ORLFC buys the land and then turns it over to RUGBY OLDHAM who then applies for grants to build a 'community stadium'

Do you really believe CH would buy something and then give it away?

I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.

[roughyedspud]

ok..lol


what i'm trying to say is that its probably best if ORLFC did'nt actually own a stadium...its in everyones best interests,i think,that Rugby oldham do