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[bowes]

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The classic is claiming any club switching to summer will have to give all their assets to the RFL Also trying to claim the loss of district leagues is a bad thing when their stupid cups wreck the league and mean they can't finish their fixtures.

To me this is them trying to stop the league's inevitable demise as if you take out NCL reserve teams (who will surely have to switch if the NCL does) and clubs running a summer team there is only 18 clubs left, only enough for 2 small divisions of massive standard gaps and I suspect the RFL Summer leagues or Pennine League would be a much better prospect.

[casyorkie]

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The classic is claiming any club switching to summer will have to give all their assets to the RFL Also trying to claim the loss of district leagues is a bad thing when their stupid cups wreck the league and mean they can't finish their fixtures.

To me this is them trying to stop the league's inevitable demise as if you take out NCL reserve teams (who will surely have to switch if the NCL does) and clubs running a summer team there is only 18 clubs left, only enough for 2 small divisions of massive standard gaps and I suspect the RFL Summer leagues or Pennine League would be a much better prospect.

I think the yorkshire league will stay in winter and there is no reason for the reserve teams to switch as well.i know some clubs fancy the idear of the a team running in the winter to please the players who still prefer to play in the winter.

[bowes]

Don't think the NCL (or whatever it will be called under the new structure) would be happy with A teams playing a different season as you wouldn't be able to call up players so there'd be more likely to be games called off.

I reckon the Yorkshire League will fold come what may though of course the Pennine League option for clubs wanting to stay winter will remain (plus they'd have gaps to fill of some of their teams going to summer, though probably a minority)

Edited by bowes, 28 March 2011 - 03:16 PM.

[tim2]

I really don't understand the thing about giving assests over to the RFL. We are affiliated to the RFL and our consitution, accepted by the RFL, states that on dissolution our assets should be given to another enterprise with the same goals and aims. This would typically be another club, or perhaps the Midlands League who could distribute it around other clubs.

[bowes]

I really don't understand the thing about giving assests over to the RFL. We are affiliated to the RFL and our consitution, accepted by the RFL, states that on dissolution our assets should be given to another enterprise with the same goals and aims. This would typically be another club, or perhaps the Midlands League who could distribute it around other clubs.

Yeah seems strange. I know one issue is leagues dissolving and signing assets to the RFL but I think it's a case of it the NCL switch to summer they hand over their assets to a new league which is basically the same teams and committee (plus whatever new clubs apply as usual) but under the RFL. That's how I read it anyway, it's not like they're seizing the assets of all the clubs in summer, I think we'd have spotted that if it had happened by now.

[BigDunc]

I reckon the Yorkshire League will fold come what may though of course the Pennine League option for clubs wanting to stay winter will remain (plus they'd have gaps to fill of some of their teams going to summer, though probably a minority)

hi Bowes, you probably did not notice this but the Pennine recently asked their members who was switching to summer and NOT ONE club said they were, that is why they announced they would be running a normal winter competition starting September.

[bowes]

hi Bowes, you probably did not notice this but the Pennine recently asked their members who was switching to summer and NOT ONE club said they were, that is why they announced they would be running a normal winter competition starting September.

NCL 'A' teams have to switch and Queens have openly stated they want to switch. Everyone claims not one of their clubs is going to summer yet most players said they want to play summer so something has to give somewhere otherwise we'll have a lot of clubs with not many players in winter, with new summer clubs gaining loads of players. Can't see Drighlington being happy their league season has been destroyed by the weather and local cups, only 4 games played so far

Edited by bowes, 29 March 2011 - 11:10 AM.

[BigDunc]

oh!!I must have missed that survey of players but I can only go by what players and officials of clubs are saying

[bowes]

For the record I think the number of clubs that do in the end switch from the Pennine League will be a tiny percentage (NCL 'A' sides excepted) at least initially, I think if the summer competition goes well you'll see more clubs start to switch. The players was all over the leagues survey though so probably lower than the approximately 2/3 among Pennine League players and higher in Yorkshire

I think a lot of clubs will want to stay winter more out of liking the Pennine League than liking the winter season and cancellations

[BigDunc]

you could be right there might be a slow drift to summer but it will probably not be clubs, more likely players,as not many clubs have the facilities for summer rugby.

think you might find a hundred or so clubs folding and there being a very slimmed down competition in the end

edit re Drig. I would love to have had such a bad season yorkshire cup finalists, national cup quarters, challange cup and pennine cup quarters.

also remenber playing in 3 inches of snow on drigs pitch maybe the players are getting to soft

Edited by BigDunc, 29 March 2011 - 11:52 AM.

[bowes]

Drighlington have only had 4 league games though, so can't seem them getting the other 12 in by May.

I see in the medium term rather than now how there's the Pennine and Yorkshire Leagues both in winter just having the Pennine League in winter and a new RFL league in summer so clubs and players can choose. But your point on facilities is the one issue that seems to be neglected in this

The issue of should we have fewer clubs with more teams like RU is an interesting question but not one we should force on the clubs against their wishes. Leigh seems to work having just 2 really strong clubs (and occasionally having a 3rd, though not ATM).

Edited by bowes, 29 March 2011 - 12:16 PM.

[del capo]

If NCL decide to migrate on monday next, that is exactly what it will be, a migration.

NCL have Leaguemark status. They have been invited by RFL to run Tier 3 for them. It will be a licensed activity under the existing management and with the current operational rules. There is no question of asset transfer or asset stripping.

Insurance is not an issue. Barla / RFL might have different brokers but I think its the same Policy Underwriters ? In any event NCL clubs will continue to enjoy the massive youth and junior discounts.

Pennine League is very well run. If it were minded to operate in the summer , it may be that the RFL would consider inviting it to run the Regional Tier 4 for them , again on a licensed basis. Other well run regional leagues could equally be capable of fitting into this model. Now that NCL seem to have set the template , perhaps the powerful regional leagues should be proactive and enter into dialogue with the RFL on the summer issue with a view to advancing / protecting the interests of their members?

[del capo]

NCL website this afternoon makes interesting reading with unanimous backing by their management for a move to summer

[Gav]

I have a gut feeling that once the NCL switch we'll see a lot more clubs "breaking cover" so to speak and wanting to switch to summer also. It just seems at the moment that none of the clubs want to go public for fear of upsetting the apple cart with their local league management, who understandably want to keep hold of their little Fifedoms.

[bowes]

Del capo when you say NCL committee will be running tier 3 would that be all of it or just the north premier, 1, 2?

I think if existing leagues switched then with the exception of Yorkshire League they'd be able to run the league in their area (though the reason for separate Yorkshire and Pennine Leagues seems to have stopped when the Pennine League replaced their Oldham and Rochdale clubs with half the Yorkshire League

[del capo]

Del capo when you say NCL committee will be running tier 3 would that be all of it or just the north premier, 1, 2?

I think if existing leagues switched then with the exception of Yorkshire League they'd be able to run the league in their area (though the reason for separate Yorkshire and Pennine Leagues seems to have stopped when the Pennine League replaced their Oldham and Rochdale clubs with half the Yorkshire League

The Northern Divisions. RLCN will be similiarly licensed to manage the South under it's existing structures. I expect convergence in the fruition of time perhaps when the South can match what is evident in the North - 3 years perhaps?

[bowes]

Yeah though of course there's the issue of the best southern clubs stepping up to Championship 1.

Are you running the North West and North East Conferences (if they're going ahead?)

[bowes]

Oh on merging divisions, guess the fairest way would be a division 2 (South) though I would be worried about the prospect of Millom Vs South London type games so not sure if they will merge it.

[Marauder]

I really don't understand the thing about giving assests over to the RFL. We are affiliated to the RFL and our consitution, accepted by the RFL, states that on dissolution our assets should be given to another enterprise with the same goals and aims. This would typically be another club, or perhaps the Midlands League who could distribute it around other clubs.

Why should the assets be given over to the RFL on the dissolution of a team/club - Many BARLA teams have folded and then returned within a couple of years using the money being kept safe by the previous trustee's, If my memory serves me right i'm sure Cutsyke did this and won the Yorkshire cup within a year or so.

[Marauder]

oh!!I must have missed that survey of players but I can only go by what players and officials of clubs are saying

Dunc we have played all year round since 2004 and to my knowledge not one of our player has been asked, i've also asked the question on my travels around the amateur game and i'm still yet to find one player who has.