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[Pugwash]

Co-op model seen as the way forward

Hornets have been approached to give advise on running a Rugby League Club as a fan owned and run co-operative.

Hemel Stags are looking at the possibility at entering the Co-operative Championship 1 and Hemel have been looking at what structure would give them the best chance of success if they are granted a franchise to enter the Pro ranks.

After observing the Hornets model they are looking at the possibility of adopting the IPS structure and have spoken with Supporters Direct as well as contacting Hornets for advice.

Pugwash.

[jananbillingsbarmyarmy]

god help them


As this is not concerning the on-field affairs of the club you must identify yourself to comment.

Pugwash.



im tony hilton is that ok for you

Edited by jananbillingsbarmyarmy, 22 April 2011 - 06:43 AM.
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[Snoopy Loopy]

god help them

Was thinking the same

Same for you Snoopy Loopy, identify yourself or refrain from posting on non-footballing issues.

Edited by Pugwash, 21 April 2011 - 11:19 AM.
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[Hornets Nest]

Co-op model seen as the way forward

Hornets have been approached to give advise on running a Rugby League Club as a fan owned and run co-operative.

Hemel Stags are looking at the possibility at entering the Co-operative Championship 1 and Hemel have been looking at what structure would give them the best chance of success if they are granted a franchise to enter the Pro ranks.

After observing the Hornets model they are looking at the possibility of adopting the IPS structure and have spoken with Supporters Direct as well as contacting Hornets for advice.

Pugwash.

Do the RFL endorse and recommend this model?

Mark Reynolds

[Snoopy Loopy]

Of course Mr Pugwash,as you well know my name is Gavin Reynolds

Therefore I will say again any club setting up in the same format "god help them"

[Robthegardener.]

edited by rtg for being to truthful

Edited by Robthegardener., 21 April 2011 - 08:52 PM.

[Anita Bath]

Of course Mr Pugwash,as you well know my name is Gavin Reynolds

Therefore I will say again any club setting up in the same format "god help them"

Strictly speaking this is NOT about the running of the club but about the running of another club. Its seems ANYTHING posted on here can be interpreted in any way those holding the keys like.

OK, OK, I know locked!

[Pugwash]

Strictly speaking this is NOT about the running of the club but about the running of another club. Its seems ANYTHING posted on here can be interpreted in any way those holding the keys like.

OK, OK, I know locked!

No, I am not locking the topic, but the rules are there and if you don't like them then go and post on the RLFans message board which is not run by the same people. The topic is about how another club is liaising with Hornets about the possibility of running their club on similar lines. Of course they may want to go down the route of other clubs and constantly run at a deficit and periodically go into administration etc when the money people pull out and the black hole starts sucking the lifeblood out of the club.

I welcome serious comments both for and against and not just God help them, etc. Mark Reynolds has asked a serious question and the answer is I don''t know but I would think that they will have some input into the final make-up of the club'structure.

Pugwash.

[jonnyg28]

What's the benefit of running a club the way Rochdale do?

[Pugwash]

What's the benefit of running a club the way Rochdale do?

I can only give you my opinion jonny28 and that is that we are a non-profit making organisation. We have shareholders who are members and they renew their membership and therefore their share every year. Nobody can have more than one share so that means that every single shareholder carries as much weight as any other. We cannot do things like pay more than we can afford so every year a budget is worked out for each department and that is it unless we get some extra income from sponsorship or similar.

I believe that the club is getting ready to announce the next A.G.M. and if what I hear is right it will be a very exciting time for Hornets, at least the ones that want us to do well anyway!

The other way where you have a few shareholders who delve into their pockets periodically to pay this and that are OK until someone gets fed up with pouring money into a black hole then you find that you have a big deficit unless you find another sugar-daddy to fill his or her shoes.

I must stress this is ONLY my view and not necessarily that of any other person be they member or not of the club.

Pugwash.

[jonnyg28]

Thanks for explaining, seems the best way to go.

[Hornets Nest]

I can only give you my opinion jonny28 and that is that we are a non-profit making organisation. We have shareholders who are members and they renew their membership and therefore their share every year. Nobody can have more than one share so that means that every single shareholder carries as much weight as any other. We cannot do things like pay more than we can afford so every year a budget is worked out for each department and that is it unless we get some extra income from sponsorship or similar.

I believe that the club is getting ready to announce the next A.G.M. and if what I hear is right it will be a very exciting time for Hornets, at least the ones that want us to do well anyway!

The other way where you have a few shareholders who delve into their pockets periodically to pay this and that are OK until someone gets fed up with pouring money into a black hole then you find that you have a big deficit unless you find another sugar-daddy to fill his or her shoes.

I must stress this is ONLY my view and not necessarily that of any other person be they member or not of the club.





Pugwash.

Edited by Hornets Nest, 23 April 2011 - 08:17 AM.

[Hornets Nest]

Correct me if I'm wrong but does Paul Ormerod not "delve" into his pocket?

Mark Reynolds

Edited by Hornets Nest, 23 April 2011 - 08:18 AM.

[Pugwash]

Correct me if I'm wrong but does Paul Ormerod not "delve" into his pocket?

Mark Reynolds

Again, as I understand it, Paul Ormerod does delve into his pocket to join the club, buys a season ticket and he always buys a programme and Golden Gambles at home games. He also put some money up initially to get the club started, again as I understand it, but we are now standing on our own two feet.

If you join the club you could ask him all these questions yourself at the next A.G.M. It'd be the best £20 you've ever spent!

Pugwash.

[Ghostbuster]

Pugwash you mention that you now stand on your own 2 feet !, does this mean that Mr Ormerod has been repaid and the shares in the Stadium company have been reclaimed from the RFL ?

Well done if this is the case !

[Anita Bath]

The topic is about how another club is liaising with Hornets about the possibility of running their club on similar lines. Of course they may want to go down the route of other clubs and constantly run at a deficit and periodically go into administration etc when the money people pull out and the black hole starts sucking the lifeblood out of the club.

I welcome serious comments both for and against and not just God help them, etc. Mark Reynolds has asked a serious question and the answer is I don''t know but I would think that they will have some input into the final make-up of the club'structure.

Pugwash.

A bit of a prejudiced view about alternative forms of ownership. At best what you describe is a minority of "other clubs".

Does running their club on similar lines involve controlling content on fan forums such as this?

[Pugwash]

A bit of a prejudiced view about alternative forms of ownership. At best what you describe is a minority of "other clubs".

Does running their club on similar lines involve controlling content on fan forums such as this?

A minority of other clubs such as Wakefield, Crusaders, Hornets, Oldham (more than once), Whithaven, Gateshead, London (more than once), Halifax, Bradford, Blackpool, it might be a minority but the list gets ever larger. I also said that if the money men don't get fed up then it's fine but consider what would happen if Abramovitch pulled out of Chelsea or Sheik whatever pulled out of City, if the idiot in charge of Newcastle or the Yanks in charge at Liverpool were to pull out at a moments notice.

The truth is that some clubs who have a few main shareholders often get by on a deficit, Sheffield have just reported losses of almost £30,000 on an increased turnover mainly due to players pay, so they are paying money they cannot get in from income streams, that is OK if the guy in charge keeps putting his hand in his pocket.

As for the forum issue, this forum is nothing to do with Rochdale Hornets R.F.L.C.S.L., it is independantly run but there are rules as there are rules everywhere and I think you will find that when you signed up to be a member you ticked a little box which indicated that would agree to follow the rules.

Please identify yourself if you wish to post on off-field matters.

Pugwash.

[herbie]

Pugwash, Oldham have not been in administration "more than once."

[Pugwash]

Pugwash, Oldham have not been in administration "more than once."

They have gone bust more than once, it's six and two threes really. I was highlighting that many clubs exist on a deficit and when the hard times come around it's hard to keep going. There are probably many more but I can't think back too well these days.

Pugwash.

[herbie]

No your wrong Oldham have not gone bust more than once.