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[Pugwash]

Following hot on the heels of the Hetherington intervention in disciplinary policy and Hull K.R.'s Willie Mason Hokey Cokey affair we have the kit incident from last night.

Some moron from Red Hall is alleged to have told both the Giants and Tigers to wear away kits and not having a clue what they look like they both turned up in nearly identical kits. Well, you wouldn't expect the governing body to know what colours their teams play in would you?? The final insult was when a little old dear was called to get an old 'Fax kit out from the cupboard under the stand for Cas to play in. Goodness knows what Cas' shirt sponsors will think of this, oh and it was on the sports news this morning for all to see and laugh at!

How long are these numpties with little or no knowledge of our sport going to get away with making us look a laughing stock?

Pugwash.

[Bedford Roughyed]

http://www.therfl.co... League FEB.xls

The RFL had the Giants down to wear their home hit.

The numpties with (or lots) of knowledge of our sport are doing quite a good job of making us look a laughing stock without the RFL's help.

[Pugwash]

http://www.therfl.co... League FEB.xls

The RFL had the Giants down to wear their home hit.

The numpties with (or lots) of knowledge of our sport are doing quite a good job of making us look a laughing stock without the RFL's help.

"Both clubs claim to have an email that told them to wear 'alternative' strips earlier in the week!"

Even the match comissioner couldn't say who was to blame, don't the RFL tell him what to expect? Whatever happened and wohever is to blame doesn't change the fact that we allowed our game to look like some latter day Ealing Comedy on national T.V. If we are trying to market our game properly then this is an object lesson in how not to do it!

Another point.

Chatting with John Stankevitch at his book signing yesterday the play offs were mentioned, I asked if they were important as the RFL said the Championship would be franchised next season and apparently nobody knows anything yet, so a competition that started in March enters June and we still don't know what we're playing for? The fans at Keighley had no idea either yesterday, does anyone know?

Pugwash.

[Hornets Nest]

"Both clubs claim to have an email that told them to wear 'alternative' strips earlier in the week!"

Even the match comissioner couldn't say who was to blame, don't the RFL tell him what to expect? Whatever happened and wohever is to blame doesn't change the fact that we allowed our game to look like some latter day Ealing Comedy on national T.V. If we are trying to market our game properly then this is an object lesson in how not to do it!

Another point.

Chatting with John Stankevitch at his book signing yesterday the play offs were mentioned, I asked if they were important as the RFL said the Championship would be franchised next season and apparently nobody knows anything yet, so a competition that started in March enters June and we still don't know what we're playing for? The fans at Keighley had no idea either yesterday, does anyone know?

Pugwash.

Yet again Andrew I find myself agreeing with you. The RFL are just like FIFA a set of overpaid bureaucrats that do more harm to the game than they do good.

Lower level Rugby League has caved in because of ill advised decisions made at Red Hall.

People may think it’s wrong to live in the past but I crave for the days of the late 70’s and early 80’s for RFL structure when the gap between teams like Hornets and say Salford was bridgeable, teams had the carrot of promotion (It was three up three down) and it seemed like teams such as Hornets had a far more meaningful role to play within the RFL structure. There was the Lancashire Cup and the John Player Trophy and even the Floodlit Trophy, all of which gave Hornets the opportunity to put some brass into the pot.

What do we have now – the Northern Rail Cup that no-one is interested in and costs clubs a fortune to take part in, similar the Smashed Windscreen Cup in football., a nothing competition.

I honestly dread to think where the game will be in 10 years time.

Many will believe that these thoughts should remain in the past but lets see where we all are in 10 years.

Mark Reynolds

[marshy1]

Yet again Andrew I find myself agreeing with you. The RFL are just like FIFA a set of overpaid bureaucrats that do more harm to the game than they do good.

Lower level Rugby League has caved in because of ill advised decisions made at Red Hall.

People may think it’s wrong to live in the past but I crave for the days of the late 70’s and early 80’s for RFL structure when the gap between teams like Hornets and say Salford was bridgeable, teams had the carrot of promotion (It was three up three down) and it seemed like teams such as Hornets had a far more meaningful role to play within the RFL structure. There was the Lancashire Cup and the John Player Trophy and even the Floodlit Trophy, all of which gave Hornets the opportunity to put some brass into the pot.

What do we have now – the Northern Rail Cup that no-one is interested in and costs clubs a fortune to take part in, similar the Smashed Windscreen Cup in football., a nothing competition.

I honestly dread to think where the game will be in 10 years time.

Many will believe that these thoughts should remain in the past but lets see where we all are in 10 years.

Mark Reynolds

Mark, As a Swinton fan I totally agree with you. Just look at what happened to us in the Challenge cup.The RFL have succeded in making Rugby a three tier sport, Super League the Championship clubs and the amateur clubs with the lower teams left with no ambition other than to move up and down between divisions.We havn't got a cat in hells chance of progressing in the Challenge cup.Crazy.

[BUZZYBEE]

and it dont take long to get the humour going
http://www.superleag...ay/lcu0NcybV80/

Edited by BUZZYBEE, 07 June 2011 - 03:00 PM.

[Anita Bath]

Brilliant - just gets better as it goes along.

[boro hornet]

and it dont take long to get the humour going
http://www.superleaguefans.com/videos/play/lcu0NcybV80/

Wonderful

[ArthurDaley]

Great find Wendy.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-_lVFbyGn1Q

[BUZZYBEE]

Its brilliant and I wish I had found but
Credit must go to Mace he text me to have a look
I thought it would be good for a giggle

[RogerT]

Well Herr Hitler got it right then because it was Mr Lindsay that started it all if I remember correctly.

[Anita Bath]

Rupert Murdoch started it - offered oodles of doh - something which the aforesaid little Mo could not resist - no matter what he had to do for it. So I suppose we can blame Australia (even though he is now officially a yank).

[Ex-Kirkholt]

People may think it’s wrong to live in the past but I crave for the days of the late 70’s and early 80’s for RFL structure when the gap between teams like Hornets and say Salford was bridgeable, teams had the carrot of promotion (It was three up three down) and it seemed like teams such as Hornets had a far more meaningful role to play within the RFL structure. There was the Lancashire Cup and the John Player Trophy and even the Floodlit Trophy, all of which gave Hornets the opportunity to put some brass into the pot.

Mark Reynolds

Hornets last promotion to the top tier worked out really well - one win all season and the start of the slippery slope to the position that the club finds itself in now.

Some carrot.

[mickhornet]

The relegation to our present league from the Championship under Darren Abram was catastrophic, especially as the team was more than good enough to stay up. Notegate etc.

[Hornets Nest]

Hornets last promotion to the top tier worked out really well - one win all season and the start of the slippery slope to the position that the club finds itself in now.

Some carrot.

So what are you saying throw away the carrot? Ask Swansea if they'd settle for one win next season. The same season you are talking about we beat Castleford at Wheldon Road to reach a televised semi final, and just four months after relegation we went one better and appeared in the Lancashire Cup Final just losing in controversial manner to St Helens.

Give us a nudge when any team from the Championship or Championship 1 manage that in the Rugby League we have got today.

Mark Reynolds

[Ex-Kirkholt]

So what are you saying throw away the carrot? Ask Swansea if they'd settle for one win next season. The same season you are talking about we beat Castleford at Wheldon Road to reach a televised semi final, and just four months after relegation we went one better and appeared in the Lancashire Cup Final just losing in controversial manner to St Helens.

Give us a nudge when any team from the Championship or Championship 1 manage that in the Rugby League we have got today.

Mark Reynolds

There is a carrot there - just a different one.

Get your house in order, get your facilities right, get your local development right, get the results on the pitch and you are then in line to be considered for entry to SL - and you will get a decent run at it. Sponsorship and quality players will be interested in coming to a club with a guaranteed period in SL.

Your comparison to soccer is spurious at best - the sums of money involved are barely believable - the amount a team gets for going up is lower than the parachute payment received by sides who get relegated.

Out of interest I was at the games you mention and as good as they were, the minor cups were already partially discredited as nice to have but only the League and Challenge Cup really counted.

With the advent of fulltime professionalism, the whole dynamic of the game changed. Back in the 60s/70s many players moved from the lower clubs to the better clubs, now the traffic is very much the other way round. Most of the players who get to the top have been involved with SL clubs from school age and have been given top coaching / physical training and advice from an early age due to the full time nature of these clubs.

Compring SL to Championship rugby is like comparing Premiership football with that in the tier below Division 2.

[Phil Stone]

and it dont take long to get the humour going
http://www.superleaguefans.com/videos/play/lcu0NcybV80/

The link appears to be broken and has for a few days so clearly someone has influence on what can or can't be shown.

[Hornets Nest]

There is a carrot there - just a different one.

Get your house in order, get your facilities right, get your local development right, get the results on the pitch and you are then in line to be considered for entry to SL - and you will get a decent run at it. Sponsorship and quality players will be interested in coming to a club with a guaranteed period in SL.

Your comparison to soccer is spurious at best - the sums of money involved are barely believable - the amount a team gets for going up is lower than the parachute payment received by sides who get relegated.

Out of interest I was at the games you mention and as good as they were, the minor cups were already partially discredited as nice to have but only the League and Challenge Cup really counted.

With the advent of fulltime professionalism, the whole dynamic of the game changed. Back in the 60s/70s many players moved from the lower clubs to the better clubs, now the traffic is very much the other way round. Most of the players who get to the top have been involved with SL clubs from school age and have been given top coaching / physical training and advice from an early age due to the full time nature of these clubs.

Compring SL to Championship rugby is like comparing Premiership football with that in the tier below Division 2.

So let me get this right, the carrot for all clubs outside Super League is the chance every four years to be able apply to get in to have a drink at the top table? Is that it?

26th December 1989 Spotland Stadium Att 8150, why?

Because there was a carrot worth eating

[Anita Bath]

Precisely, getting to the top table no longer depends on performance or league position, but on lobbying, so why would anyone interested in progress bother paying to watch?

For those who do want to compare with football dare I suggest you compare with the excitement associated with relegation and promotion in Union.

There is nothing to stop the RL saying promotion can only be gained subject to the top team (or top two teams) meeting standards for SL. But that should be the order of priority.

As it is teams in SL didnt even have to meet any serious standards (look at the tip otherwise known as Knowsley Road) but if you want to join tham its is only these non playing standards that count.

[BUZZYBEE]

its on utube type huddersfield v castleford

Edited by BUZZYBEE, 11 June 2011 - 04:18 PM.