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[bowes]

Turns out worse than I thought, York Lokomotive and East Hull A pulled out of group 3 leaving only 15 teams in the full season groups and 12 of those are reserve teams.

[Marauder]

Turns out worse than I thought, York Lokomotive and East Hull A pulled out of group 3 leaving only 15 teams in the full season groups and 12 of those are reserve teams.

Shame about Loko's a good set of lads and seemed to be going in the right direction, again I'm sure the NCL moving to the summer will have played it's part.

[bowes]

Shame about Loko's a good set of lads and seemed to be going in the right direction, again I'm sure the NCL moving to the summer will have played it's part.

Perhaps though that's why you don't rely on other clubs' players. They've still played friendlies so hopefully they'll be back possibly in the short season divisions next year?

[bowes]

We've been told that we are to late to enter!

Normally they'd have found you a spot but the lineups have 10 in premier and 12 in every other league so if anyone drops out they might let you in?

[bowes]

Looks like Rotherham Roosters and Ovenden A pulled out early as well. Cutsyke have pulled out of their remaining fixtures. Fryston and Holderness are the only first teams to manage a full season though I expect Birstall Victoria and Sheffield Hillsborough Hawks will next year. Only 13 in total managed it.

All in all a bit odd as groups 1-6 have been effectively a merit league with whoever wants to play being paired up and some of the short season clubs have played longer than meant and some of the full season clubs playing less. The scheduled 14 games hasn't happened anywhere it appears (and that was a very small number to begin with).

Guess it can't be planned til tier 3 is sorted, but I wouldn't hold out much hope for Bramley or Kippax fulfilling fixtures during the overlap they don't exactly have a good track record.

Reserve teams is an issue both sides of the Pennine though

Going to be interesting to see how they try to rectify things next year as doesn't appear good on the face of it

Edited by bowes, 06 September 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[Marauder]

Looks like Rotherham Roosters and Ovenden A pulled out early as well. Cutsyke have pulled out of their remaining fixtures. Fryston and Holderness are the only first teams to manage a full season though I expect Birstall Victoria and Sheffield Hillsborough Hawks will next year. Only 13 in total managed it.

All in all a bit odd as groups 1-6 have been effectively a merit league with whoever wants to play being paired up and some of the short season clubs have played longer than meant and some of the full season clubs playing less. The scheduled 14 games hasn't happened anywhere it appears (and that was a very small number to begin with).

Guess it can't be planned til tier 3 is sorted, but I wouldn't hold out much hope for Bramley or Kippax fulfilling fixtures during the overlap they don't exactly have a good track record.

Reserve teams is an issue both sides of the Pennine though

Going to be interesting to see how they try to rectify things next year as doesn't appear good on the face of it

Have Bristall committed to summer next year? Kippax would be better off going back to winter where they enjoyed many years at being a very good regional side, there problems seem to have started once they tried mixing both seasons and then saw the shining object that turned out to be fools gold, I suspect that as a club they will be strong enough to re-group.

[bowes]

Have Bristall committed to summer next year? Kippax would be better off going back to winter where they enjoyed many years at being a very good regional side, there problems seem to have started once they tried mixing both seasons and then saw the shining object that turned out to be fools gold, I suspect that as a club they will be strong enough to re-group.

Their last 2 attempts at winter failed as well so guess it's a case of short summer season til they have enough juniors come through to support them for a full season (probably in winter).

Birstall have committed to summer but not sure what league.

[bowes]

Bradford Dudley Hill A have called off their remaining fixtures as well. Starting to think there may be a specifically A team problem. In Yorkshire this is partly down to the quality of the league but I think the fact that A teams have had problems in Lancashire as well (where other clubs have done much better out of the summer shift) suggests something else at play.

My guess would be the change in player eligibility rules as there are no limits on the number of first team players or winter players you can play. Some clubs presumably have taken advantage of this too much to the point they've lost many of their actual second team players? Otherwise I don't see how it could have gone this wrong.

[Marauder]

Bradford Dudley Hill A have called off their remaining fixtures as well. Starting to think there may be a specifically A team problem. In Yorkshire this is partly down to the quality of the league but I think the fact that A teams have had problems in Lancashire as well (where other clubs have done much better out of the summer shift) suggests something else at play.

My guess would be the change in player eligibility rules as there are no limits on the number of first team players or winter players you can play. Some clubs presumably have taken advantage of this too much to the point they've lost many of their actual second team players? Otherwise I don't see how it could have gone this wrong.

Simpl!, This summer the reports from every age-group including open-age is player availability, it's OK signing 50 odd players on but if 40 are not available due to other summer distractions you have a problem.

From my clubs experience the problem will get a lot worse with wife/partners demanding more quality time, with the clubs already suffering this problem I can only see more players/clubs going as players get ###### off with not getting a game (Yorkshire Leagues main failing).

Said it before the concept is good but amateurs arn't paid professional and one size does not fit all.

[bowes]

It's not summer as most of the first teams in the NW Men's League have done fine. It's reserve teams specifically that have been affected. BDH's first team have managed fine.

[Marauder]

It's not summer as most of the first teams in the NW Men's League have done fine. It's reserve teams specifically that have been affected. BDH's first team have managed fine.

The first teams will do fine because 1st team fixtures have priority - 7, 1st team players don't turn up, 7, 2nd team players have to take their place, simple system thats been in place for years and in a lot of cases youth players have also had to step up to fill the gaps.

[bowes]

The first teams will do fine because 1st team fixtures have priority - 7, 1st team players don't turn up, 7, 2nd team players have to take their place, simple system thats been in place for years and in a lot of cases youth players have also had to step up to fill the gaps.

For NCL clubs yes but the smaller clubs with only one open age side have either stayed the same or seen a big boost.

[bowes]

IMO there's sufficient interest for a full season merit league for NCL reserve teams (how RU does it) and sufficient interest for a structured short season league in Yorkshire. Any side looking for a full length structured league really has to look to the NCL or NW Men's League much as any Lancashire team wanting a decent winter league would be advised to join the Pennine League.

[Marauder]

For NCL clubs yes but the smaller clubs with only one open age side have either stayed the same or seen a big boost.

You was talking `A` teams going to winter and struggling to fulfil fixtures not 1st teams.

[Marauder]

IMO there's sufficient interest for a full season merit league for NCL reserve teams (how RU does it) and sufficient interest for a structured short season league in Yorkshire. Any side looking for a full length structured league really has to look to the NCL or NW Men's League much as any Lancashire team wanting a decent winter league would be advised to join the Pennine League.

12 Months ago I could have said that any team wanting a full season should stay winter but they didn't, but now teams have tried the summer, some are OK with it and some arn't. this has resulted with some moving back to the traditional season, time will tell in which directions teams will go but the main problem will not go away during the summer.

[bowes]

Playoff semi finals:

Premier:
Fryston Warriors Vs Oulton Raiders A
West Hull Lions Vs Skirlaugh Bulls

Group:
Milford Marlins A Vs Normanton Knights A
York Acorn A Vs Hunslet Warriors A

Why Normanton Knights A got admitted as 3rd in group 5 is beyond me. The short season leagues were meant to have their own playoffs as well

[bowes]

Hull Dockers A have entered the Hull league division 1 and West Hull may actually be an A team. They should really reshuffle to 2 divisions of 10 on that case.

Semi final results
Fryston Warriors 24-0 Oulton Raiders
West Hull Lions P-P Skirlaugh Bulls (to be played midweek)

Milford Marlins A 18-29 Normanton Knights A
York Acorn A 44-22 Hunslet Warriors A

[bowes]

West Hull Lions 18-24 Skirlaugh Bulls

So Fryston Warriors Vs Skirlaugh Bulls in the final

[carlos]

Could it simply be that many of the players who have played sunmer have now signed for winter clubs, hence not enough players to cover 2 teams

[bowes]

Amongst other factors that will have played a part.