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[Simon Kerr]

http://www.dewsburyr...k/proposal.html

Just taken a quick look and at first glance I'm not sure how this will benefit the Rams unless they are paid a rental fee per annum for the sub-letting the land. If this is the case it could be very lucrative and secure Dewsbury Rams' future for many years to come. If it is a lump sum up front I'm not sure if it is the way forward.

I'm sure the press release will explain all and I've jumped the gun a bit with my conclusions, but there's no new stand or terracing on the bank, granted there is a new training pitch and two small all weather pitches that could generate income. Having said that the car boot will need to be moved to the new car park, but the layout doesn't seem to suit the car boot as well, but what do I know eh and guessing is more fun!!

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Edited by Simon Kerr, 10 February 2012 - 12:32 AM.

[RogerTRam]

But there's no new stand or terracing on the bank.

The new Terracing is going to be at the other end of the ground its item 9 in the proposals list detailed on the diagram.

Any way I must now do this shameless plug and add these web links to this thread because as the big sheep I feel its my duty to do so.


Firstly the link to the full proposal web entry page.

The Development Website

Secondly the all important petition, please if you support the proposals add your name with any positive comments you have supporting the development.

The online petition

Nearly last but not least if you have any comments that you would like to forward to the club please use the form on this page to do so.

Any comments please use this form

And lastly if you use Facebook there’s a group set up for intelligent discussion.

Dewsbury Rams Development Facebook Group.


Bye bye for now hope to see you all at the game on Sunday.

Roger

[Simon Kerr]

I might be missing the obvious here and it's right in front of my eyes, but Item 9 on the key states that it is a 'Possible Future West Stand', which indicates it will not be built in the first Phase. Seem to recall a western terrace was on Phase 2 of the original plans as well.

There is no terracing illustrated on the diagram, except for Item 8, but I thought that related to the All weather and training pitches?

Sure that the Press Release will explain all though.

Edited by Simon Kerr, 10 February 2012 - 06:08 AM.

[andyram]

The new Terracing is going to be at the other end of the ground its item 9 in the proposals list detailed on the diagram.

Any way I must now do this shameless plug and add these web links to this thread because as the big sheep I feel its my duty to do so.


Firstly the link to the full proposal web entry page.

The Development Website

Secondly the all important petition, please if you support the proposals add your name with any positive comments you have supporting the development.

The online petition

Nearly last but not least if you have any comments that you would like to forward to the club please use the form on this page to do so.

Any comments please use this form

And lastly if you use Facebook there’s a group set up for intelligent discussion.

Dewsbury Rams Development Facebook Group.


Bye bye for now hope to see you all at the game on Sunday.

Roger

Just want to say thanks to Roger The Ram for keeping us up to date with all the links we can go on to surport this development,i've signed the petition with a comment of good luck.Joined the Facebook group.Everyone needs to get behind this and move this great club onwards and upwards.

[Ackroman]

I've added my support and wish them all the best.

[EQUALIZER]

Need to hit the ground runnung.Petitioning round Shaw Cross Hanging Heaton would get many favourable signatures.Theres a council meeting in march theyve brought it foreward,need something to throw at these..We need to have a fans meeting to discuss a plan of action.One group we need to contact is the chidswell action group.I am sure they will put their full support behind it.

[RogerTRam]

Good day everybody I hope you are all well. I’ve just a couple of minutes to spare before I get ready for a Roger Ram School visit today so here’s a couple of messages from my Facebook blogs I would like to share to bring you up to speed if your not already aware of them.

“Great coverage in the local newspapers. Please make sure as many of you as possible write letters of support to the local newspapers for next week. Also keep signing the online petition and don't forget to go onto the official website and post your comments in the comments section. Thank you to everyone, we are off to a great start, it would be great to get our membership up to 200 by the end of the day - can we do it? Invite everyone on your friends list - lets keep this ball rolling and rolling! Well done.”

"From Jonathan Scott Roger you are doing a great job, please ask all the people making comments on the fb, blogs and petition to go to the official website and register their comments there too as these will form part of the final report on our consultation findings. The more comments we have the greater the demonstration of strength of feeling of support. Thanks Jonathan"

Keep up the good work everybody and keep spreading the word

[HaroldShand]

I'll get accused of 'trolling' here, but I can't imagine that Kirklees Council will look so fondly on the proposal to build a large amount of new housing right behind/adjacent to a large council-owned refuse dump. The mooted all-weather pitches look like a great idea though, but will the company that is supporting the scheme financially be willing to push ahead with those plans if the housing development is snubbed.

[Ackroman]

I'll get accused of 'trolling' here,

Correct

Because you should be aware that there used to be a refuse tip on that site but due to government targets on housing and the desired use of appropriate brown field sites for reaching these targets, it is an ideal location for development.

I note you have made similar comments on the main forum that make similar sneering remarks regarding a council tip. You are a bitter youth and I can't understand why.

[HaroldShand]

Correct

Because you should be aware that there used to be a refuse tip on that site but due to government targets on housing and the desired use of appropriate brown field sites for reaching these targets, it is an ideal location for development.

I note you have made similar comments on the main forum that make similar sneering remarks regarding a council tip. You are a bitter youth and I can't understand why.

No, there IS a tip very close to the site, I was there only the other week. I think its unlikely that the housing site will be allowed to go ahead due to both this and the former uses of the land. As I've also said, the other ideas - i.e. the all-weather pitch etc... are potentially exciting developments, and facilities that I would probably use myself.

[BatleyFanAndy]

Will the Rams own all this land and collect rents for the project to be a success? I may be having a daft moment, but I can't see how this will help a club with (like Batley) a low budget per season.

[Sir Jekyll Stocking]

I'll get accused of 'trolling' here, but I can't imagine that Kirklees Council will look so fondly on the proposal to build a large amount of new housing right behind/adjacent to a large council-owned refuse dump. The mooted all-weather pitches look like a great idea though, but will the company that is supporting the scheme financially be willing to push ahead with those plans if the housing development is snubbed.

Building adjacent to land-fill sites is not necessarily an insurmountable problem. Protection against ground gases (usually methane & carbon dioxide) can be readily incorporated into housing, care homes or even BSJ's warehousing & data centres. It will just cost a little more.
You are probably right in that the pitches (and possible west stand) would be financed by profits made on the housing development.

[Blind side johnny]

Harold's quite reasonable question raises another one in my mind. Is all the land that is involved within Kirklees or does it also spread into wakefield? If so will another planning application need to be made to them.

Also can anyone elaborate on what timescales are envisaged for the various phases? Some of our fans are now of a certain vintage that they might wonder if it will actually be relevant to them in the long run.

[EQUALIZER]

I'll get accused of 'trolling' here, but I can't imagine that Kirklees Council will look so fondly on the proposal to build a large amount of new housing right behind/adjacent to a large council-owned refuse dump. The mooted all-weather pitches look like a great idea though, but will the company that is supporting the scheme financially be willing to push ahead with those plans if the housing development is snubbed.

The council site is due to shut down this year.

[Ackroman]

No, there IS a tip very close to the site, I was there only the other week.

There was a landfill site a long time ago Harold but now there's just a recycling centre or am I mistaken? Google earth will help you see this.

OR is it you've constantly got to stick the boot in and use negative mis-information all the time?

[Blind side johnny]

See http://whoownsmyneighbourhood.org.uk/ for details of Kirklees land ownership.

[Ackroman]

Harold's quite reasonable question.

I need some enlightenment on why it's reasonable to constantly refer to the site as a "tip" or "dump"?

Also the planning area sits in Kirklees not Wakefield as the boundary crosses the old landfill site not the proposed planing area.

[Blind side johnny]

I need some enlightenment on why it's reasonable to constantly refer to the site as a "tip" or "dump"?

Also the planning area sits in Kirklees not Wakefield as the boundary crosses the old landfill site not the proposed planing area.

OK now I've looked at the map again I see that you are correct. It also makes me suspect that the "Southern Parcel" will be Phase 1.


I always thought that the waste disposal site next to the car park could reasonably be referred to as a tip or dump even if Harold's frequent use of the expressions might be seen to be pejorative. He's done worse, much worse.

[HaroldShand]

I need some enlightenment on why it's reasonable to constantly refer to the site as a "tip" or "dump"?

Also the planning area sits in Kirklees not Wakefield as the boundary crosses the old landfill site not the proposed planing area.

Ah. Ok, I see you're beef. In future I shall endeavour to refer to it as a 'refuse depository area'. Is that ok for you?

[Superdave]

Folks, I can guarantee the landfill site is still there. Its just closed, not disappeared. Generally speaking landfills that have had municipal waste tipped in them will be around for decades after closure. They may look nice and green but the waste is still in there decaying over time and generating gas and leachate. What stage this site is at we can only guess. Hopefully the developers already know. Development adjacent to closed landfills can provide interesting technical issues, and inevitably, cost.

It will be down to the thoroughness of the site investigation, the robustness of the engineering solutions and the exact detail of the proposals. Not impossible, perhaps, but not easy. No surprises that getting planning consent could be the key issue.