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#1 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:00 PM

Protesting against elitism apparently....whilst being a member of the RSA and is curently writing a book on "socio-political history of fences".

Why do all the loudest voices on elitism, the working classes, etc come from privaliged backgrounds? Polly Toynbee? Laurie Penny? Owen Jones?

Where are the voices of someone who has actually lived the life not just dreamt it?

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Trenton’s foremost preoccupations include unearthing the socio-political history of fences/railings - including when they shifted from keeping things in to keeping things out, the spaces in cities people have set out to make together, contemporary places of work, emotions in finance, the processes of creating and conceptualising ‘a home’ in a new city, the tension existing between danger & beauty embodied for example in aeroplanes and how social relations (dissolving of nation states and rise of cities) might change on earth with the colonisation of other planets. Trenton is also working on debates within inter-disciplinary urbanism around notions of ‘Darwinistic individual selfishness’ – or ‘Who Dares Wins Urbanism’ attempting to make apparent the predictable, though overlooked failures of individualism within and apparent across the 'leadership' of the centre, left and right.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#2 markleeds

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:46 PM

Because the working classes are too busy working to have time for this sort of thing.

#3 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:03 PM

why shouldn't they?
All the revolutionary thinkers and doers come from either middle or upper class backgrounds.

lenin
marx
engels
castro
guevarra
trotsky
even the likes of Pinochet.

the middle classes are the crucible for political and social change: they have the most to lose and are most likely to lose it, they have the educatuion and knowledge to express it and organise it.

The aristocracy and the wealthy upper classes are the elite, not the middle classes
there are those among us
who think that life is but a joke

#4 Phil

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:17 AM

Where are the voices of someone who has actually lived the life not just dreamt it?



There's a few on here L'Ang, me a couple of others. The right-wing types on here usually dismiss us as not knowing what we're on about.

A few shifts in the warehouse or factory wouldn't do Trenton (sic!!) any harm though.
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#5 getdownmonkeyman

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:24 AM

How the feck could this plant pot possibly be in a position to comment on social injustice?

#6 ShotgunGold

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:29 AM

God I wished they had have smashed the guy to pieces with their oars. Can't stand people like this. Hope he gets a long jail sentence.

#7 Mistress_Marlowe

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

How the feck could this plant pot possibly be in a position to comment on social injustice?


Have you read L'Ang's post above?

I have (thankfully) never been raped, does that mean I cannot have an opinion on anything to do with that subject? I have had a relative murdered, but does that make my opinion on such matters more valid than someone else's when they haven't had to go through that?

Have a word with yourself, and whilst you're at it, have one with ShotgunGold too. :rolleyes:



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#8 Saint Billinge

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

There's a few on here L'Ang, me a couple of others. The right-wing types on here usually dismiss us as not knowing what we're on about.

A few shifts in the warehouse or factory wouldn't do Trenton (sic!!) any harm though.


True. Entering my sixties, I was working ten twelve-hour shifts in a factory (nights and days) on the trot. Some protesters don't even know what hard work is!

#9 Phil

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:03 PM

True. Entering my sixties, I was working ten twelve-hour shifts in a factory (nights and days) on the trot. Some protesters don't even know what hard work is!



True, but I'm a "protester" or quite often I am, and I get the "middle class layabout" thing thrown at me. People like Trenton (can't even type the name without laughing) do us more harm than good.

Having said all of this, the boat race was interrupted, so what? The beeb would have us think its a major sporting occasion rather than a few toffs having a row up stream.

Next year I want to see a mass swim of unemployed youth, redundant factory workers and general malcontents. hopefully with a couple of the rowers being drowned. :biggrin:
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#10 markleeds

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:04 PM

It was funny hearing all of blustering from people afterwards, it was like something actually immense happened and not some bloke taking a swim whilst 2 sets of ringers from various universities row up a river.

#11 Saint Billinge

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:40 PM

True, but I'm a "protester" or quite often I am, and I get the "middle class layabout" thing thrown at me. People like Trenton (can't even type the name without laughing) do us more harm than good.

Having said all of this, the boat race was interrupted, so what? The beeb would have us think its a major sporting occasion rather than a few toffs having a row up stream.

Next year I want to see a mass swim of unemployed youth, redundant factory workers and general malcontents. hopefully with a couple of the rowers being drowned. :biggrin:


If I am still unemployed after losing my job last September then I could join in! :smile:

#12 Phil

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:43 PM

If I am still unemployed after losing my job last September then I could join in! :smile:



Got a wetsuit?
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#13 Trojan

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:50 PM

God I wished they had have smashed the guy to pieces with their oars. Can't stand people like this. Hope he gets a long jail sentence.



For doing what? Swimming in the River Thames? Last time I looked it wasn't an offence - if it is it's one that I've committed too. Or for disrupting an out of date japes fest of hooray Henries who are taking part in an archaic practice that should have been relegated to the same status as the Haxey Hood, the Ashbourne Shrove Tuesday football match, or Morris Dancing.* Good on him is what I say. The media's attitude to the Boat Race is all of a piece with its attitude to Rugby Union. It's time the whole sorry farrago was shown up for the waste of time and money that it is.
*or the World Coal Carrying Championships
http://www.experienc...1&venue=2190859

Edited by Trojan, 08 April 2012 - 02:31 PM.

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#14 Sam79

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 02:21 PM

I couldn't believe the Boat Race being interrupted was the number 1 story on BBC this morning. This put it above the deaths of 180+ Pakistani soldiers in an avalanche and the threat of a teacher strike.

#15 Stan Doffarf

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:13 PM

I note this thread hasn't been moved to Any Other Sports. Quite right too.
And when they found our shadows
Grouped around the TV sets
They ran down every lead
They repeated every test
They checked out all the data on their lists
And then the alien anthropologists
Admitted they were still perplexed
But on eliminating every other reason
For our sad demise
They logged the only explanation left
This species has amused itself to death
No tears to cry no feelings left
This species has amused itself to death

#16 Bleep1673

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 03:31 PM

For doing what? Swimming in the River Thames? Last time I looked it wasn't an offence
http://www.experienc...1&venue=2190859

Actually, it is an Offence. The River is closed between the Start & the Finish, therefore anyone who trespasses in the river during it's closure is committing an offence.
It's usually used to stop boats obstructing the Crews, but it is all encompasing, so screw him.
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#17 shrek

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:02 PM

Got a wetsuit?

Bloody middle-class layabouts protesting in wetsuits!

TRL branded speedo's and last one in gets the post-bail beers in!

#18 Phil

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:02 PM

Actually, it is an Offence. The River is closed between the Start & the Finish, therefore anyone who trespasses in the river during it's closure is committing an offence.
It's usually used to stop boats obstructing the Crews, but it is all encompasing, so screw him.



Well obviously the toffs must have their day without oiks (or Trentons) spoiling the fun. Its what made this country great don't y'know?
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#19 Phil

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

Bloody middle-class layabouts protesting in wetsuits!

TRL branded speedo's and last one in gets the post-bail beers in!



+ several :biggrin: :biggrin:
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#20 getdownmonkeyman

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 04:40 PM

Have you read L'Ang's post above?

I have (thankfully) never been raped, does that mean I cannot have an opinion on anything to do with that subject? I have had a relative murdered, but does that make my opinion on such matters more valid than someone else's when they haven't had to go through that?

Have a word with yourself, and whilst you're at it, have one with ShotgunGold too. :rolleyes:


Self publicising is not highlighting a cause. Do you think it is a pertinent way to do so? The fact this is his chosen 'method' proves, to me, he his no understanding whatsoever.




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