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[bionic barrel]

is it 1 up and 1 down in each league based on finishing bottom or top?

[bowes]

Depends on how many new clubs but a likely scenario is 3 down 1 up between premier and division 1. 5 down 1 up between division 1 and 2 and 5 down from division 2 to be joined by 7 new clubs.

If there are more than 7 new clubs then there will be reprieves and extra promotions up to a maximum of 15 new clubs.

Normally it is 3 up 3 down.

[biffdog]

Why isn't all this sorted already?? At least teams would know what they're aiming for regarding promotion/relegation

[bowes]

Why isn't all this sorted already?? At least teams would know what they're aiming for regarding promotion/relegation

Because they haven't had a vote on new clubs yet. They've told clubs a likely scenario which is also a worse case. Clubs can only benefit from further changes.

[BARRETT]

Because they haven't had a vote on new clubs yet. They've told clubs a likely scenario which is also a worse case. Clubs can only benefit from further changes.

How can you decide that Bowes, when you're club isn't even in the NCL? You don't actually speak for any of the NCL clubs. I suspect that clubs WON'T vote in new clubs that will see 5 teams relegated from Division 1.

I'm still trying to work out who all these new clubs will be that are supposed to be applying for membership - suddenly! We haven't had that many applicants in the last few years, so I wonder if it is because these "new" applicants think there's some money going round? Wrong!

How come all these clubs suddenly meet the criteria? It better not be because the criteria is being watered down to suit some people employed by the RFL......

[Marauder]

How can you decide that Bowes, when you're club isn't even in the NCL? You don't actually speak for any of the NCL clubs. I suspect that clubs WON'T vote in new clubs that will see 5 teams relegated from Division 1.

I'm still trying to work out who all these new clubs will be that are supposed to be applying for membership - suddenly! We haven't had that many applicants in the last few years, so I wonder if it is because these "new" applicants think there's some money going round? Wrong!

How come all these clubs suddenly meet the criteria? It better not be because the criteria is being watered down to suit some people employed by the RFL......

IMO your committee has already been SORTED by the RFL.

[bowes]

How can you decide that Bowes, when you're club isn't even in the NCL? You don't actually speak for any of the NCL clubs. I suspect that clubs WON'T vote in new clubs that will see 5 teams relegated from Division 1.

I'm still trying to work out who all these new clubs will be that are supposed to be applying for membership - suddenly! We haven't had that many applicants in the last few years, so I wonder if it is because these "new" applicants think there's some money going round? Wrong!

How come all these clubs suddenly meet the criteria? It better not be because the criteria is being watered down to suit some people employed by the RFL......

I meant any further changes will only benefit clubs as in more than 7 new clubs would see fewer than 5 relegated.

The new clubs will be a result of Conference 3 being shut down plus ambitious clubs from tier 4. The criteria won't be diluted so there will be noone like Bramley or Warrington Wizards getting in.

It would be very selfish to destroy good clubs just over one season's promotion and relegation spots. This is also the only way the Conference can ever expand past 42 teams without adding a full division in one go as 16 team divisions wouldn't work.

Oh and my club is in, just look at the website.

Edited by bowes, 17 April 2012 - 07:05 AM.

[Dessie O'Hare]

I cant see 4 extra clubs voting for relegation and 4 extra ckubs voting to be denied promotion just to let waifs & strays from a nothing league to be let in.....

[bowes]

I cant see 4 extra clubs voting for relegation and 4 extra ckubs voting to be denied promotion just to let waifs & strays from a nothing league to be let in.....

Clubs that meet entry criteria in 7 out of 10 cases (though 1 or 2 of those 7 will be in Championship 1). Clubs almost always vote with management recommendation and the management don't want to spitefully destroy clubs that are successfully playing in a national league and meet entry criteria purely for one season's promotion race and because they switched to summer a few years early.

Edited by bowes, 17 April 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[BARRETT]

I meant any further changes will only benefit clubs as in more than 7 new clubs would see fewer than 5 relegated.

The new clubs will be a result of Conference 3 being shut down plus ambitious clubs from tier 4. The criteria won't be diluted so there will be noone like Bramley or Warrington Wizards getting in.

It would be very selfish to destroy good clubs just over one season's promotion and relegation spots. This is also the only way the Conference can ever expand past 42 teams without adding a full division in one go as 16 team divisions wouldn't work.

Oh and my club is in, just look at the website.

Which club is that?

[bowes]

Which club is that?

Coventry Bears. We're in NCL division 3. Technically a division though the anomalies will be ironed out next year as not all division 3 clubs meet criteria (we're one of the clubs that does)

Edited by bowes, 19 April 2012 - 06:55 PM.

[BARRETT]

Coventry Bears. We're in NCL division 3. Technically a division though the anomalies will be ironed out next year as not all division 3 clubs meet criteria (we're one of the clubs that does)

Well, with all due respect Bowes, like I said - you're not actually in our league yet. You are in Tier 3 obviously. This thread, however, is about the 'original' NCL divisions being possibly affected by a change in the promotion and relegation process in our first year. It's not until the end of this first summer season that some of the previously considered- to-be summer conference may merge into our league.

[Cutsyke Raiders]

Clubs that meet entry criteria in 7 out of 10 cases (though 1 or 2 of those 7 will be in Championship 1). Clubs almost always vote with management recommendation ....

I think there is a better chance of 15 clubs being accepted, thereby limiting the promotion / relegation issues.
After all, David Gent says there will be 90 teams in Tier 3 in 5 years
The 7 you claim meet the criteria plus 8 from NWML & Pennine or elsewhere. If there are that many suitable / ambitious applicants. They could all go in their own division 3 then with this years NCL 3 winners in Division 2.
15 new teams does seem a massive stretch though.

... the management don't want to spitefully destroy clubs that are successfully playing in a national league and meet entry criteria purely for one season's promotion race and because they switched to summer a few years early.

The NCL management are not bothered about the Red squirrels . Ask Del Capo

Its the co-opted, unelected RFL crew that are trying to look after their own with their spin and selective leaks

[bowes]

Well, with all due respect Bowes, like I said - you're not actually in our league yet. You are in Tier 3 obviously. This thread, however, is about the 'original' NCL divisions being possibly affected by a change in the promotion and relegation process in our first year. It's not until the end of this first summer season that some of the previously considered- to-be summer conference may merge into our league.

2 sides are already in. But officially we are National Conference League otherwise it wouldn't be called that. Just kind of an associate member division or whatever.

There are other possibilities: 9 new teams means teams in premier and division 1 are unaffected but division 2 has 1 up and 3 down.
11 new teams means the only change to normal is the bottom division 2 team goes down to division 3 to join the new teams. It will ne easier to get that many new teams in a national conference than a northern one though the latter may recruit more northern teams.

Of the 7 meeting criteria 1 or 2 will join Championship 1. 3 are already recommended for inclusion into Conference proper. The other 2 or 3 are waiting to see if it will be one national conference or a northern and a southern one.

No Pennine League teams are eligible as the season finishes far too late to make the switch but teams from the NW Men's League, Yorkshire Men's League, Cumberland League etc. could be recruited.

[Marauder]

Its the co-opted, unelected RFL crew that are trying to look after their own with their spin and selective leaks
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The same (Lancashire based) co-opted RFL crew Then some wonder why Yorkshire is more or less a stand alone winter area and the biggest percentage of the no votes in the NCL to move to summer was also from Yorkshire.

Tried and trusted Divide and conquer to break the winter game up and now we will see the Trojan horse tactic to prise open the NCL grip on controlling themselves.

[Marauder]

2 sides are already in. But officially we are National Conference League otherwise it wouldn't be called that. Just kind of an associate member division or whatever.

There are other possibilities: 9 new teams means teams in premier and division 1 are unaffected but division 2 has 1 up and 3 down.
11 new teams means the only change to normal is the bottom division 2 team goes down to division 3 to join the new teams. It will ne easier to get that many new teams in a national conference than a northern one though the latter may recruit more northern teams.

Of the 7 meeting criteria 1 or 2 will join Championship 1. 3 are already recommended for inclusion into Conference proper. The other 2 or 3 are waiting to see if it will be one national conference or a northern and a southern one.

No Pennine League teams are eligible as the season finishes far too late to make the switch but teams from the NW Men's League, Yorkshire Men's League, Cumberland League etc. could be recruited.

The two teams that moved back to the NCL are two teams who once fell from grace and struggled in the regionals, they then went summer and gained straight on the back of other clubs players in the summer.

How comes teams can move to the summer game but can't move to into the NCL?

Edited by Marauder, 20 April 2012 - 04:10 PM.

[bowes]

The two teams that moved back to the NCL are two teams who once fell from grace and struggled in the regionals, they then went summer and gained straight on the back of other clubs players in the summer.

How comes teams can move to the summer game but can't move to into the NCL?

The Yorkshire Men's League starts 6 weeks after the NCL.

[bowes]

Its the co-opted, unelected RFL crew that are trying to look after their own with their spin and selective leaks


The same (Lancashire based) co-opted RFL crew Then some wonder why Yorkshire is more or less a stand alone winter area and the biggest percentage of the no votes in the NCL to move to summer was also from Yorkshire.

Tried and trusted Divide and conquer to break the winter game up and now we will see the Trojan horse tactic to prise open the NCL grip on controlling themselves.

On the contrary they're looking to let the NCL expand their control over more clubs. They just don't want good clubs to be excluded from the game needlessly

[Marauder]

On the contrary they're looking to let the NCL expand their control over more clubs. They just don't want good clubs to be excluded from the game needlessly

But you've stated that a Winter team that fulfils the criteria can not join the NCL.

Expanded NCL would mean less transport money wouldn't it and with coaches costing a good 20% more in the summer and fuel prices are going up and up.

[bowes]

But you've stated that a Winter team that fulfils the criteria can not join the NCL.

Expanded NCL would mean less transport money wouldn't it and with coaches costing a good 20% more in the summer and fuel prices are going up and up.

Yes clubs are forbidden to switch leagues midseason. It's just common sense.