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[shun]

is there promotion and relegation between div 2 and div 3? If there is, as an example say askam get relegated from div 2 to div 3 isnt it a long way for say Askam the most northern based club to play against the likes of bristol, south wales and st albans?

[bowes]

is there promotion and relegation between div 2 and div 3? If there is, as an example say askam get relegated from div 2 to div 3 isnt it a long way for say Askam the most northern based club to play against the likes of bristol, south wales and st albans?

There likely will be, though next year's division 3 won't be the same as this year's. But the RFL are trying to get enough teams to have a southern conference and make the national conference northern for the reasons you say. Just boils down to getting the teams.

Though this year there will be no promotion from division 3 unless there's about 13-15 sides wanting into the Conference proper (not sure the exact number)

Edited by bowes, 22 April 2012 - 07:16 PM.

[del capo]

Div 3 as you read on the websites is just a face to the outside world.

There is no promotion / relegation at NCL division 2 level. The clubs simply seek re-election

Our website covers the whole of the Tier 3 - looks much better I think , but anyone thinking that the Management don't continue to control needs a rain check..

..And if we amalgamate , it will be on NCL terms .........

[tim2]

Div 3 as you read on the websites is just a face to the outside world.

There is no promotion / relegation at NCL division 2 level. The clubs simply seek re-election

Our website covers the whole of the Tier 3 - looks much better I think , but anyone thinking that the Management don't continue to control needs a rain check..

..And if we amalgamate , it will be on NCL terms .........

A good conspiracy theory is always better than the facts.

[Marauder]

Yes clubs are forbidden to switch leagues midseason. It's just common sense.

Who says they can't switch?

[bowes]

Who says they can't switch?

The RFL and BARLA have agreed that you can't join a league if it means dropping out of another league to do so. Do you really want clubs dropping out to change season left, right and centre?

All it takes is one year in Yorkshire Men's Premier and then you can join.

[bowes]

Div 3 as you read on the websites is just a face to the outside world.

There is no promotion / relegation at NCL division 2 level. The clubs simply seek re-election

Our website covers the whole of the Tier 3 - looks much better I think , but anyone thinking that the Management don't continue to control needs a rain check..

..And if we amalgamate , it will be on NCL terms .........

Well it goes without saying that an amalgamation would see the Conference 3 sides all start at the bottom (unless there's such an influx of new teams that a 14th division 2 side is needed and then one side Conference 3 or otherwise would need to enter division 2) and they would all need to meet the same minimum criteria as all the other sides.

To the poster enough to clarify when I said teams could be relegated to division 3 this would be to a brand new division 3 of the Conference proper (if there's enough teams) rather than to the current Conference 3.

[chocolateshoulder]

A good conspiracy theory is always better than the facts.

Ha ha, and there's quite a few conspiricy theorists and people spouting off without knowing any facts and/or won't change a blinkered, outdated view point on here!! Chinaman springs to mind...

[bowes]

http://nationalconfe...-new-applicants

Above 7 the more new teams the better for promotion and relegation.

Whether this is just northern teams or from anywhere in the country is yet to be determined.

[LONGMAN]

http://nationalconferenceleague.co.uk/article/690/conference-league-seeks-new-applicants

Above 7 the more new teams the better for promotion and relegation.

Whether this is just northern teams or from anywhere in the country is yet to be determined.

The critical condition of acceptance is they will have to meet the criterea.

Where are these clubs comeing from.
Does the Bears meet it if so why not apply.

[bowes]

The critical condition of acceptance is they will have to meet the criterea.

Where are these clubs comeing from.
Does the Bears meet it if so why not apply.

Nottingham, Underbank and Kippax are all recommended for inclusion already. So would need 4 other applicants either from Conference 3 or tier 4. I believe that many will be about, though there will be a bigger pool of applicants if the league stays national, though even so there should be 4 about with aspirations.

I will recommend we apply, if we haven't already, (if nothing else as a back up if we don't get into Championship 1), though they might but southern clubs in a separate division and we'd be just below the divide.

[LONGMAN]

Nottingham, Underbank and Kippax are all recommended for inclusion already. So would need 4 other applicants either from Conference 3 or tier 4. I believe that many will be about, though there will be a bigger pool of applicants if the league stays national, though even so there should be 4 about with aspirations.

I will recommend we apply, if we haven't already, (if nothing else as a back up if we don't get into Championship 1), though they might but southern clubs in a separate division and we'd be just below the divide.

Have they been recomended by the management.

That dosent mean they will be accepted by the Clubs. I can see some objections against Kippax due to their locality, to various Cas teams and Leeds teams.

[bowes]

Have they been recomended by the management.

That dosent mean they will be accepted by the Clubs. I can see some objections against Kippax due to their locality, to various Cas teams and Leeds teams.

Yes. I've never known clubs go against management recommendation. Kippax I think it depends on how they perform this year without players from other NCL clubs. But an expansion to 4 divisions will necessarily have more clubs from some towns.

[LONGMAN]

Yes. I've never known clubs go against management recommendation. Kippax I think it depends on how they perform this year without players from other NCL clubs. But an expansion to 4 divisions will necessarily have more clubs from some towns.

Thats where the objections will come from regarding more clubs from some towns.

[gillmeister]

Strong rumour has it that Kells will be applying for admittance to the NCL

[bowes]

Any more news on applications?

[Cent3]

surely it makes sense for the current NCL 3 to be split into a north and south division? That way all the teams get to stay under teh NCL umbrella (although after reading this forum, it doesnt sound as though we are very welcome) and a good standard of rugby can be enjoyed and teams can continue to develop and have asperations for playing at a higher standard by applying to be included in NCL2 in future.

[bowes]

surely it makes sense for the current NCL 3 to be split into a north and south division? That way all the teams get to stay under teh NCL umbrella (although after reading this forum, it doesnt sound as though we are very welcome) and a good standard of rugby can be enjoyed and teams can continue to develop and have asperations for playing at a higher standard by applying to be included in NCL2 in future.

They were going to have a Conference South parallel to the NCL (wouldn't have worked as part of it due to minimum criteria) but the London clubs would have had a hissy fit about travel to the midlands so we're back to square one.

Nottingham are in subject to getting the clubs' approval. Coventry have applied but are still awaiting decision.

Edited by bowes, 21 June 2012 - 01:32 PM.

[bowes]

Any news on new members from the meeting? Assume it's still ongoing?

[thestatman]

There have been 18 applications/expressions of interest in joining the league (inc. the 3 already recommended Hudds Underbank, Kippax and Nottingham Outlaws).

If only these three are admitted and the others are found to be unsuitable then there would be 44 teams in divisions of Prem 14, Div One 14 and Div 2 16.

The NCL are hoping/aiming to recommend at least 7 clubs in order to reach the target of 4 divisions - 48 clubs (4 divisions of 12)
This would mean 3 down from Prem and 1 up from Div 1. 5 down from Div 1 and 1 up from Div 2, 5 down from Div 2 to join the 7 new clubs.
If 8 or 9 were admitted then "there would be a softening of the restructure process" allowing more promotion and/or less relegation for the Div 1/2 teams.

If there are 10-13 new clubs admitted then the divisions would remain with 3 up three down between Prem and Div 1. Also Div 1 and Div 2. No teams relegated from Div 2 and all new clubs entering at Div 3.

If 14 or 15 new clubs are recommended and admitted then I presume (although this wasn't said) that 13/14 of the new clubs would form Div 3 with one of them entering at Div 2 level. 56 clubs would be the current maximum capacity for a Four Division NCL.

It seems that anything between 4-6 new clubs would not be practical in regards to restructuring.

This is the information as I understood it. The Management Committee are to begin looking at the applications next Monday with visits/communication with new applicants happening soon thereafter. They are aiming to have the process completed in time for the next proposed delegates meeting on 2nd September, with hopefully a vote taking place on that evening in regards to admitting new clubs. The intention of moving the vote forward from the AGM is so clubs know exactly what they are playing for before the season ends.

Edited by thestatman, 25 June 2012 - 10:31 PM.